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bedfordshire boy
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I'm losing it!
I posted over the weekend that I'd done a look up that involved the Henlow Pell family that may have been the one that John deduced had married Samuel Chambers/Finch. I've now found it - in my own tree!
One of Sarah's younger sisters married in Deptford in 1865, was widowed fairly quickly and then remarried back in Henlow to one of my remote Coopers. In 1861 when living in Deptford she gave her birthplace as Dagenham Essex, although in all other censuses it was Henlow. But it was that that made me think twice about the 1856 Romford marriage. I would get the certificate if you're thinking about following the Pells Pauline, as it seems a bit early as their first child in the 1861 census was aged only 1. Sarah Pell's father was John by the way.
Let me know if you need Pell census details Pauline - they were in Henlow in 1841 and 1851, Deptford in 1861, then back to Beds thereafter
Regards
David
And we managed to scratch a win in the cricket!
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pml
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Yes Andi it was me that contacted you on GR. I've looked at your family tree thank you, it looks good.
Thanks John for telling me about this site and for John Samuels birth details.
Yes David I think I will send off for the marriage certificate just to make sure. I'll let you know if it's right or not.
Thanks to you all
Pauline
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bedfordshire boy
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There were two Chambers families reproducing in Southill at this time, one of which was headed by William, who was a thatcher. I suspect that William who married in 1742 derives from one of these families but wasn't baptised. I doubt if I shall ever be able to prove it though. Unless of course John comes up with some incredible detail from the Bedford marriage entry on Saturday morning!
Checking with BLARS to see if they hold any wills.
David
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bedfordshire boy
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More circumstantial evidence regarding the Pells. In 1861 they were living in Deptford, which we know is where Samuel Finch/Chambers and wife Sarah were living. Included in the Pell family was John aged 6, birthplace Deptford, although in 1871 it was Beds. But the only John Pell birth on FreeBMD that fits is in June 1854 in Romford registration district, which of course is where the assumed marriage of Sarah Pell took place in 1856.
In 1861 John's elder sister Elizabeth age 15 had a birthplace of Dagenham Essex, which I doubt, as in all other censuses it was Henlow. But possibly the enumerator made a mess of writing up the schedule and Dagenham should have been John's birthplace, which would fit very nicely with the FreeBMD entry.
And in 1861 a Marsha Pell age 22 born Harlow (sic) Beds was a servant in Romford. In 1851 in Henlow Beds one of John Pell's daughters was Martha age 12. Martha Pell married Thomas Dicken on 16 Apr 1862 at St Paul, Deptford. QED
Just a thought
David
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bedfordshire boy
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Penultimately, as I'm sure John will have something to add!..... the Legate s were not a Langford family, but came from adjoining Henlow. I have a lot of them in my tree, being a Henlow lad, (I used to live next door to one Legate family), and think that Elizabeth Legate was christened on 30 Dec 1744 at Henlow, the youngest of 10 children of Thomas and Jane (Green) Legate (also spelt Levett in Henlow PR)
Regards
David
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pml
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Hello David/John
I have just received marriage cert for Samuel Chambers and Sarah Pell. They married on 7/9/1856 in Hornchurch Essex which is in the registration district of Romford.
Samuel was a Sawyer and his father was William Chambers, a woodsman. Sarahs father was John Pell and he was a gardener. I've also now managed to get their son John Samuel ( my grt grt grandfather) birth certificate. Registered as Chambers not Finch born 22/5/1867. They lived in Deptford which comes under the district of Greenwich.
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Pauline
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bedfordshire boy
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Excellent! (whilst I was pretty confident, it was essential to get confirmation).
And on to the next brick wall! (It's got to be easier than this one to demolish)
Two happy punters on one thread - gotta be good!
Let me know if you need Pell census details
Regards
David
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pml
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David/John
Just want to say thanks for all the information without which I'd still be banging my head on that brick wall.
Regards and best wishes
Pauline
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bedfordshire boy
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Hi Andi
Yes, I have him in my tree (I think I've put all the Southill Litchfields in my database, at least up to c1870) but I didn't have his wife. He was the illegitimate son of Emma Litchfield, who was the sister of my gg grandmother Betsy.
Emma married Benjamin Bryant on 26 Oct 1872 at Southill, and Frederick was shown as Frederick Bryant son 11 in 1881, but in 1891 still living at home he was Frederick Litchfield, 21 son in law (which at that time also meant step son)
If you'd like a full report on the Litchfields just send me a Personal Message with your email address
Inevitably I have a couple of older Southill Williamsons in my tree, but I've done no research on them at all as they were very peripheral (not even a bud on the outermost twig of my tree!)
Regards
David
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