angi0
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Hello
wondering if anyone can help we have the surname Kilkenny and on the census for the Uk our direct ancestor John Kilkenny states his birth to be County Mayo He had a brother Patrick Kilkenny father Patrick kilkenny mother mary unknown
John Kilkenny married in Bury lancashire to rosannah gaghen ( she is said to be from Roscommon and parents are thomas gaghen and sarah unknown
John kilkenny changes his ages on various census and in 1871 is said to be 25 years old in 1881 states to be 38 in 1891 states 46 and in 1901 states 48 on his marriage certificate in october 1871 he states to be 26 years old so we think he was born around 1845 in mayo?
Patrick Kilkenny marries in Bury lancashire to Bridget Kelly
John and Patreick's father's occupation varied from march 1871 agricultural labourer to the october marriage when he is down as a spademan
both marriages in 1871 and all 4 people coming from ireland we have traced
We therefore estimated that his father patrick would have been born in the 1820's and that is where it ends we cannot get any further
any help would be gratefully appreciated
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Angi
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angi0
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Hi Heywood
Thanks for that we are really struggling on this one I will take a look at that the other problem as stated is they changed there ages so often we laughed when he only aged a couple of years between 2 census
Cheers
angi
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angi0
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lol im just glad it's not Xmas every day like the kids say as it's my birthday I wouldn't las too long
angi
phew 3 months and id be over 90 
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Sandy Lovell
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I am researching the Kilkenny family in County Mayo as well.
We have a Patrick Kilkenny born approximately 1845 in Ireland. His father was Patrick Kilkenny a laborer.
Patrick married Anna Molloy, born in Bekan County Mayo. They were married in Leeds, Yorkshire England in 1867.
Sandy Lovell
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angi0
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Hiya sandy
Long time no hear I lost your email wow great you found me we have spoken before but at that time could not establish a link maybe it is time to look over the incformation again
Patrick & Angie
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Sandy Lovell
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Oh Patrick and Angie! I've been thinking about you since the last time we had emailed! Right, could you email me at [Moderator Note: Email Removed to Prevent Spam]
I would really like to compare notes again, as I know a little bit more than I did the last time we talked!
Hope to hear from you soon! Sandy
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angi0
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mail on its way sandy
angie
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dizcaz
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Hello, we have corresponded before. The only 3 Patrick Kilkennys I have found that might possibly be parents to your John are a Patrick Kilkenny and Mary Lyons who married in Bekan Parish in Sept 1843...I have no other info on this couple although it is likely they lived in Hazelhill, Ballyhaunis, Annagh Parish. The other couple are of Liscat in Knock Parish. I recently went to the records office in Dublin and found the Deaths of a Patrick Kilkenny and his wife Mary Kilkenny in the 1890's in Liscat, they were both in their 80's when they died. The other Death I found was for a Patrick Kilkenny who died in 1887 in Killeen, Knock Parish. (He was in his 70's when he died) I do believe that this Patrick Kilkenny of Killeen is my family though, alhtough of course I am not 100% certain and although it states on his Death Cert that he is "Married" I never found a Death Record for his wife.
I do believe you need to be looking at the Kilkenny's in Liscat and also in Hazelhill. You will find the Patrick Kilkenny of Hazelhill on the 1856 Griffiths Valuation. He had a brother named Owen who lived in Drumbaun (Annagh Parish) and possibly a brother named John who lived in Cloontumper (Annagh Parish). I do not know much about the Kilkenny's of Liscat and do not know if the Patrick and Mary there had Sons named Patrick and John but they possibly will have had a Son named Patrick who will have been named after his Father.
What were the names (in order of birth) of the children of your John and his brother Patrick? You will usually find that the first Son is named after the Fathers Father and the second Daughter named after the Fathers Mother?
There were of course Kilkenny families in Ballindine Co Mayo which I know nothing about. If you would like to contact a descendent of the Ballindine Kilkenny's please email me.
My name is Carol Disley and my Cousin is Sandy Lovell and we have emailed you before.
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margieb
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Hi I have a Patrick Kilkenny as a witness to the marriage of my Gt gtGrandad James Kelly (b. Ireland)and Bridget Ford (b.Clooncah, Roscommon)in Nov 1869 at St Marys RC church in Bury Lancashire England. A Patrick and Bridget Kilkenny are godparents to their second child John born in 1873 so as you say your Patrick married a Bridget Kelly this could be James's sister. I am stuck with James _I know his father was John Kelly a farmer who was deceased by 1869 but I don't know where in Ireland my Kelly's came from. I found a Patrick Kilkenny on the 1891 cencus for Bury he was b 1859 his wife is Sarah he was born in Aughamore, Co. Mayo obviousley he's not yours but there may be a connection.
I would appreciate it if you would share the details of the marriage of Patrick and Bridget.
Regards
Margieb
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margieb
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Hello
wondering if anyone can help we have the surname Kilkenny and on the census for the Uk our direct ancestor John Kilkenny states his birth to be County Mayo He had a brother Patrick Kilkenny father Patrick kilkenny mother mary unknown
John Kilkenny married in Bury lancashire to rosannah gaghen ( she is said to be from Roscommon and parents are thomas gaghen and sarah unknown
John kilkenny changes his ages on various census and in 1871 is said to be 25 years old in 1881 states to be 38 in 1891 states 46 and in 1901 states 48 on his marriage certificate in october 1871 he states to be 26 years old so we think he was born around 1845 in mayo?
Patrick Kilkenny marries in Bury lancashire to Bridget Kelly
John and Patreick's father's occupation varied from march 1871 agricultural labourer to the october marriage when he is down as a spademan
both marriages in 1871 and all 4 people coming from ireland we have traced
We therefore estimated that his father patrick would have been born in the 1820's and that is where it ends we cannot get any further
any help would be gratefully appreciated
Thanks
Angi
Hi I have a Patrick Kilkenny as a witness to the marriage of my Gt gtGrandad James Kelly (b. Ireland)and Bridget Ford (b.Clooncah, Roscommon)in Nov 1869 at St Marys RC church in Bury Lancashire England. A Patrick and Bridget Kilkenny are godparents to their second child John born in 1873 so as you say your Patrick married a Bridget Kelly this could be James's sister. I am stuck with James _I know his father was John Kelly a farmer who was deceased by 1869 but I don't know where in Ireland my Kelly's came from. I found a Patrick Kilkenny on the 1891 cencus for Bury he was b 1859 his wife is Sarah he was born in Aughamore, Co. Mayo obviousley he's not yours but there may be a connection.
I would appreciate it if you would share the details of the marriage of Patrick and Bridget.
Regards
Margieb
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MK1
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[my greatgrandfather was Patrick Kilkenny of Liscat. probably related to you MK1
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margieb
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Hi, Thank you for your reply. Would you mind giving me some more details of your ancester and his birthplace?
regards Margieb
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MK1
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Patrick Kilkenny lived at Liscat, Knock with his wife Mary? He was there at the time of Griffith's PLV 1851 having moved there from Falleighter, Aghamore. He had a son Michael who was my grandfather and I also believe he had children named Margaret, John & Patrick. There were probably other children as well. This I can research. John and patrick would have emigrated probably to England as would any other siblings they had or they may have gone to America. I have just started putting this together so details are scant at the moment. My grandfather Michael married Mary Morley and they had a number of children. Mary and several of the children got the black flu in the early 1900's and died in a workhouse. Two children survived William and Margaret both of whom emigrated. My grandfather remarried and had two more children Thomas And Kate. Thomas was my father
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