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surname Hughes suggestions please
« on: Wednesday 11 April 07 14:33 BST (UK) »

Having recd. the (B) cert. of Thomas Hughes 1/8/1844 (old brother of Walter William) Father Walter William Hughes Mother Ann formerly Wyatt, this now confirms their (M) 1843 June Qtr. Rotherhithe 4/397, so when did she die, as Walter william Hughes (B) 1/9/1846 have (B) cert. his Mothers former name Anderson, so question is when did Ann Wyatt (D) and when did he (M) Ann Anderson cannot find this (M). I did find on St. Anns Limehouse baptisms in London Thomas Hughes (B) & (bpt) but none of the other children listes on the 1851 census at Roberts St.Limehouse. On the (B) cert. of Thomas ssub. district is LINCOLN HOME never heard of it, where as on Walters (B) cert. it is Sub. district Limehouse. Do Iassume that Walter W. did not (M) Ann Anderson as Southport could NOT have got the former name wrong, or do I send for the 3rd child on the 1851 census Caroline (B) 1849 to verify the Mothers former name?? signature of registrar is the same on both (B) cert. There is also anothe child Hester Mary Ann Hughes on the Parish list in London, but she is not on the census and cannot find her (D). Thank you for any help
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Re: surname Hughes suggestions please
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 11 April 07 15:19 BST (UK) »

few possible deaths from FreeBmd, there may be more on full GRO index

Hannah Hughes sept qtr 1844 Epsom vol 4 pg 87
Female Hughes sept qtr 1844 Epsom vol 4 pg 88 (this likely to be a child)
Ann Hughes sept qtr 1845 Epsom vol 4 pg 93

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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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Re: surname Hughes suggestions please
« Reply #2 on: Friday 13 April 07 13:20 BST (UK) »

Thank you for the info. osprey but as she was living in Limehouse with her husband I do not think she would have (D) in Epsom.
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Re: surname Hughes suggestions please
« Reply #3 on: Friday 13 April 07 15:28 BST (UK) »

the only birth on Freebmd I could see for Walter William Hughes was registered Epsom - that's why I went with those deaths but I was in 1845 not 1846.  Embarrassed  I take it his birth was registered Stepney. Thought it seemed a bit unlikely. Using the phonetic search on FreeBmd, it offers alternatives of Hawkes, Hiscock, Haycock, Hossick and even Haggis!

I'd go for another birth cert to double check maiden name in case of error. Of course, they might not have married before the birth of the first child.

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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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Re: surname Hughes suggestions please
« Reply #4 on: Monday 16 April 07 10:06 BST (UK) »

Hello Osprey, As the last child on the 1841 census was Edwin (B) 1855 Sept.Qtr. STEPNEY, I did find a (D) of an Ann Hughes STEPNEY 1856 Sept. Qtr. & STEPNEY 1859 June Qtr. this would be the second Mrs. Hughesand I know that Walter William Hughes (M) Eliza Rivers/Crane 18/7/1859 St. Martins in the field Westminster so I am wondering which of the (D)s is the Ann Hughes that I am interested in. Why there is no (D) of the 1st Mrs. Hughes in STEPNEY area who knows?
I think the best thing I can do is get the (M) cert. of Walter William Hughes to Ann Wyatt 1843 Rotherhithe June. Qtr. 4/397 perhaps give me a clue, and/or send for the child after Walter William  thats Caroline to see the former name of the Mother... is it Anderson or Wyatt?? Can the Southport office have got the surname wrong on a (B) cert. of the former name of the Mother?
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Re: surname Hughes suggestions please
« Reply #5 on: Monday 16 April 07 10:51 BST (UK) »

what you get from the GRO is a copy, so the error would have to be in the info they have. Birth certs are meant to have all previous names of the mother on them, but that would depend on the mother telling the registrar. If the father registered the birth, he might not know.
Are you getting the references from FreeBmd or using the full index - free on Ancestry? Not everything is on FreeBmd as yet. From civil registration, all deaths had to be registered so it should be there somewhere. Saying that, I can't find deaths for 2 of my ancestors, but knowing their jobs, they would more than likely be working away from home and could be hidden under a variant.
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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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Re: surname Hughes suggestions please
« Reply #6 on: Monday 16 April 07 11:09 BST (UK) »

Thank you for your reply. I have found that Ancestry is not always free they wish one to register and then ask for bank details.
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Re: surname Hughes suggestions please
« Reply #7 on: Monday 16 April 07 11:40 BST (UK) »

Only the complete GRO index is free on Ancestry
http://content.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx=List&dbid=8966&offerid=0%3a7858%3a0
although you have to register. The complete GRO index is also on Findmypast - definitely not free.
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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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« Reply #8 on: Monday 16 April 07 12:02 BST (UK) »

ok, I've had a look throught the full index and noted any Ann(e) Hughes in the vague area - sorry my knowledge of London isn't good, much more at home in south west Wales.

sept qtr 1844 Ann Matilda Hughes Bethnal Green vol 2 pg 46
dec qtr 1844 Ann Hughes E London vol 2 pg 177
dec qtr 1844 Ann Hughes Bethnal Green vol 2 pg 21
march qtr 1845 Ann Hughes Whitechapel vol 2 pg 483
sept qtr 1845 Anne Hughes St Pancras vol 1 pg 188
Dec qtr 1845 Ann Hughes Holborn vol 2 pg 90
dec qtr 1845 Ann Hughes Marylebone vol 1 pg 121 (unlikely)

didn't look further as time seemed rather tight for next Hughes baby on 1/9/1846!
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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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Re: surname Hughes suggestions please
« Reply #9 on: Monday 16 April 07 12:46 BST (UK) »

checked under Hughs as well - nothing.
checked the marriage index from sept qtr 1844 to dec 1846, not a Walter Hughes to be seen, although there are a few plain Williams in registration district 2.
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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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Re: surname Hughes suggestions please
« Reply #10 on: Monday 16 April 07 12:52 BST (UK) »

this might be a better link to free GRO on Ancestry
http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/rectype/vital/freebmd/bmd.aspx

 
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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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Re: surname Hughes suggestions please
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 18 April 07 10:02 BST (UK) »

Thank you Osprey for the info. the likely (D) for Ann Hughes I feel would be E.London or Bethnal Green nearest Limehouse, but why Bethnal Green I cannot think why, so that leaves E.London
There is a leaflet of London areas before 1837 which I have found useful, but only if you are research these areas. I hope you are enjoying this very early warm weather in South Wales, I am typing this in Ringwood Hants.
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