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Migration to Northumberland 1700's
« on: Monday 02 April 07 15:53 BST (UK) »
I am curious to know if there was any draw to Northumberland in the 1700's to explain migration to the area of my ancestors. I am aware of the mining industry, but I thought this was in the 1800's. Maybe I am wrong. Any pointers would be most helpful.

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Re: Migration to Northumberland 1700's
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 10 April 07 01:12 BST (UK) »
There was a wave of migration from Scotland in the aftermath of the second Jacobite Rebellion (1745). Some of my ancestors, rather than supporting either side, found it hard to get work because they hadn't supported ANY side. They were able to find work in rural Northumberland.

Prior to this, Northumberland was a ravaged frontier land, with regular skirmishes back and forth, north and south of the border. The Earl of Northumberland had his main estate in Yorkshire if I recall correctly (Topcliffe, I think) and his retinues would have accompanied him on his visits to Northumberland. Perhaps some of them might have stayed in the North.

Farming and fighting would have been good alternative drawcards.

There's an excellent and eminently readable book called Kings of the North (published 2005 or 2006) which describes the history of the Percy family; Earls then eventually Dukes of Northumberland.

The population was far more migratory than we give it credit for.
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Re: Migration to Northumberland 1700's
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 10 April 07 12:43 BST (UK) »
Ruthy,

Whereabouts in Northumberland ?

The county had/has several faces... rural (ie more sheep than folk) industrial ( coal, yes in 1700s, shipbuilding etc)

Michael Dixon (from the ugly end of Northumberland)
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Re: Migration to Northumberland 1700's
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 12 April 07 16:40 BST (UK) »
Thank you lynxafrica and Michael,

I will definitely take a look at Kings of the North, and look further into the Jacobite Rebellion. Lots to think about.

The name I am researching in this area is Perry, and the earliest link is in the Woodhorn (Widdrington) area so far, although there are other Perry's in many other areas of Northumberland. If mining was happening in the 1700's , as Michael, you say it was (and all my Perry's up there until recent years were miners) then this would look likely as a reason for the migration north for my lot, although I don't know how to proove this. 

Most general info about the surname indicates the it is from further south, and there are not an excessive number in Northumberland in the 1700's so I was interested in any reasons why the name would appear there originally.  I suppose it would be a combination of all of the possibilities mentioned.  I hadn't realized how migratory the population was.

Thank you both for your insights

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Re: Migration to Northumberland 1700's
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 12 April 07 18:03 BST (UK) »
Ruthy,

To give you a flavour of my time growing up in the mining communities in Northumberland.... but unfortunately a little later than 1700s.

I was born in Bebside Colliery village in 1941... lived there until 1951, when pit died and authorities moved us out en bloc and flattened the place...

But I remember folk , not just the natives, but people from Ireland ( my mother's line), from Co Durham, from Scotland, Staffordshire, Norfolk, Cornwall, Wales, Lancashire etc.

Woodhorn was one of several "ancient" parishes in the area. (My "home" parish was Horton.) It once consisted of the "townships" Cresswell, Newbiggin, Ellington, Hirst, Lynmouth, North Seaton, Widdrington and Woodhorn itself ( Later Newbiggin and Widdrington , in 1768, got their "independence" from Woodhorn Parish)

Hirst and a neighbouring community merged into Ashington, which became known as the "Biggest Mining Village in the WORLD"

Blyth, on the coast at some stage in it's better days, became the biggest coal-exporting (in tonnage terms) port in the world.

To see the A-Z of coal and individual coal pits go to www.dmm.org.uk .

There was a coal pit at Woodhorn, that became a mining museum, when coal production ceased. A new complex has been built on the site that includes the musem and the Northumberland County Record Office.


The Surname Profiler web site gives the root of Perry (as far as the year 1881 is concerned) as Somerset, south midlands and Essex (www.spatial-literacy.org )
and no relative source in Northumberland or Durham.


On Census 1841 there were 12589 Perry folk in England. 60 in Northumberland, 46 in Co Durham.

On C1901 there were 26699 Perrys in England, 110 in Northumberland and 353 in County Durham.

A family of 7 Perrys were in Hirst.

(Source for Perrys = Ancestry.com)

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Re: Migration to Northumberland 1700's
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 12 April 07 21:22 BST (UK) »
Michael,
Don't run us down
Northumberland is not ugly we have to just look at our beaches and the hills over to the Cheviots .We have many lovely Castles ,Walks the Roman wall
||Come on get out and have a look around
Me I'm from Belford a lovely part of Northumberland near to Holy Island ,Alnwick Berwic upon Tweed
now just up the road from you at Amble
We have a nice walk around the prom to the harbour
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« Reply #6 on: Thursday 12 April 07 21:22 BST (UK) »
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Re: Migration to Northumberland 1700's
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 12 April 07 21:33 BST (UK) »
Elizabeth,

I think you have that worried look on you face, cos you must have misread my wee contribution.... I did not say Northumberland was ugly... I said I was from the ugly end of it...

Your bit is rural and unspoilt, my corner was scarred by industry with a continual stink of burning pit heaps giving off sulphur fumes, etc.

My corner was Bebside, Cambois, Cowpen.


But this does not stop me from being  mega-proud to be a Northumbrian.

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Re: Migration to Northumberland 1700's
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 12 April 07 21:36 BST (UK) »
Thanks for that Michael

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Re: Migration to Northumberland 1700's
« Reply #9 on: Friday 13 April 07 13:50 BST (UK) »
Michael

Thanks for all the info, and the insight into your ancestry  - you are truly a mine (very sorry!) of information. The mining museum web site is very good.

I find the mining history of the area fascinating (although my knowledge is still quite limited), and as a child loved going to Beamish with my grandparents.  I am visiting the Woodhorn visitor centre in a couple of weeks too, and looking forward to seeing some of the rural countryside aspin mentions as well as the more built up areas.

My ancestry so far is initially in the Woodhorn area in 1790 - 1800, and then they were in Longbenton, and the 20thC saw them in Hetton-le-Hole - all mining families  (never ones for an easy life I think!) . My father and his siblings all moved away in the 1960's.

I will continue on my quest - some of those 60 1841 Perry's in Northumberland are my ancestors discovered, and some are as yet undiscovered.  Maybe one of them somewhere will give me a clue as to where they came to Northumberland from.

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