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Topic: Hilland/ Devlin 1860,Whitehaven. (Read 709 times)
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edwardkenna
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I have tried to find a reference to my ancestors who appear to have married in the Whitehaven area about 1860,their first child being born in Durham in 1867.Hugh Hilland was born in Ireland in 1837 but gave his birthplace on the 1901 census as being "Cleater" and Margaret Devlin gave her birthplace as "Whitehaven.I can find no reference to either of them in the Whitehaven area although they do show up in the 1881 census in Durham.Does anybody have any suggestions or can look up the local census for me?
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Jim
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When was Margaret born ? there is a Margaret Devlin b1839 in the 1851 Whitehaven census.
Jim
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edwardkenna
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Hello Jim, thanks for your quick reply.Margaret Devlin was apparently born in Whitehaven circa1838 but like many I suppose was illiterate.Therefore any information which she may have tendered to any government agency is suspect .I don't know when Hugh came on the scene but clearly it must have been in between 1851 and 1867.I am trying to find out anything about her and her family if she had any and it appears that the information which you have at hand may relate to her. Sorry about the lack of information.
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Jo3
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Hi Edward,
I looked at 1871 and none of the same Devlin's appear that were in New Houses in 1851.
There is a John (42), and Jane (40) living in Chapel St., with family. A Jane (75) Widow in Littledale Lane and Margaret (24) Unmarried servant living in with a family at Solway View. I haven't found any Hillands in 1871 but my records only cover Whitehaven not the Cleator area.
Joan
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edwardkenna
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Dear Joan and Jim, thanks for your help but I am now even more confused about my ancestor.I know that Hugh and Maragaret had a son in 1867 but that was apparently in Usworth,Co.Durham and therefore although my Margaret appears to fit the age parameter as descibed by Joan, the place does not fit.Would either Joan or Jim kindly tell me which details of the Devlins appear in the 1851 census and also tell me about the "new houses"? Does anybody else have details about Cleater and any possible reference to "Hugh Hilland".He was a coalminer
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Jim
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Hi Edward,
From 1851 census of Preston Quarter (part two)
HO107/2437 Folio 222, page 23
72 Back Row
John Devlin / H / M / 39 / Coal Miner / IRL
Elizabeth Devlin / W / M / 40 / Coal Miner's wife / IRL
Ann Devlin / D / U / 18 / Thread Spinner / CUL Whitehaven
James Devlin / S / / 14 / Coal Miner / CUL Whitehaven
William Devlin / S / / 9 / Scholar / CUL Whitehaven
John Devlin / S / / 5 / Scholar / CUL Whitehaven
Edward Devlin / S / / 2 / / CUL Whitehaven
Margaret Devlin / D / / 12 / Scholar / CUL Whitehaven
Will have a look at the 1841 census of Cleator tomorrow for you
Jim
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edwardkenna
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Dear Jim and Joan, that is absolutely marvellous.It is strange what emotions searching for one's ancestors can engender.Absolutely great, you have made my day
Thank you very much indeed.
Ted.
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Jo3
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Hi Edward,
"New Houses" originally called "New Buildings" were 3 rows of houses built specially to accomodate the influx of miners to Whitehaven around 1800. There is a recently published book by Colin McCourt which tells the history of the area and memories of people who lived there up to the 1930's when they were demolished. The rows were known as Front, Middle & Back and where Jim and I found the Devlin's in 1851.
Joan
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edwardkenna
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Hello Joan and thank you for that information.Does anybody know whether it was common place for mining families to emigrate in their entirity.?Apart from Ann who appears to have married a local lad, the rest of the family have just disappeared and I cannot find any trace of them on the 1881 census or the 1901 census.There are other Hillands in the Cumberland area then and now but I don,t know whether they are related because I don't know whether "Hugh" was alone in "Cleator".
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Jo3
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Hi again Edward
It is possible for the family at New Houses to have gone back to Ireland as the parents were from there. I take it that you have the Hillands in 1901. Hugh's reference is RG 13/4788/38/24. I notice his age differs slightly.
Edward's ref. is RG 13/4674/17/25. Also there are Mary (25), Joseph (6), Edward (3), John (1), and Lancelot (6 mths).
Margaret (60) and Thomas (19) are at RG 13/4674/9/9.
William (26), is in Isle of Wight - ref. 1022/128/29.
Margaret has lost a few years too. There is a John (39) which could be a transcription error. His ref. 4756/22/36. He is at Gateshead but said to have been born Newcastle but if he was lodging it could be assumed on the part of the householder which may be why Hugh's birthplace was given as Cleator?
Sorry I haven't been more help and I've not been able to go to the RO lately. I think they have some Cleator church records now which may have the marriage, so I'll try to get there later this week.
Good Luck
Joan
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edwardkenna
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Hello Jo, and thanks for the information.Be advised that any information is usful to me because I have not yet learned how to jump websites and use them properly.I had noticed the age differences but ignored them because I have found so many errors.My family name has been recorded as Hillands,Hillen,Hillon and Hillard and it has become very confusing.Hugh was separated from his wife in 1901 and William was in prison on the Isle of Wight(some ancestor).Hugh Jnr.was married in 1892 and his children appear on the 1901 census as Hillard.You could be right about Ireland but I have given up hope of tracing them over there because I have ben advised that records are sparse.Any info about Cleator will complete the picture. John born in 1873 died in 1888.The other John b.1899 was my granddad and the names of HUgh's children appear to follow the Irish names convention.Thankyou once again. Ted
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Hi Ted,
Just got back from RO and have to go to my G Son's (5) Nativity but thought I'd let you have this little bit of info. No luck with the Cleator (RC) records but looked for Devlin's in 1861 - Bingo.
They are spelt DEVLING and Hugh is with them as a boarder, but his name is spelt HILLINGS.
Will give you details later.
Joan
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Hello Ted,
1861 Census
Ref: RG 9/3950/51/15
Entry 68
68 Back Row, New Houses, W'haven.
Elizabeth DEVLING, Head, Widow, 48 Yrs. Born Ireland
James, Son, Unm. 23, Coal Miner, Ireland
Margaret, Dau., Unm., 21, Cotton Mill Operative, W'haven
William, Son, Unm., 17, Coal Miner, W'haven
John, Son, Unm., 14, Coal Miner, W'haven
Edward, Son, Unm., 12, Coal Miner, W'haven
Margaret Ann, Gr Dau., 3 mths., W'haven
Hugh HILLINGS, Boarder, Unm., 20, Ironstone Miner, Ireland. (Most iron miners were employed in the Cleator/Egremont area).
I'm pretty certain this must be the family you are looking for - perhaps it was pronounciation (Irish accent?) which gave the different spellings.
Sorry I haven't found the marriage - if they were RC there are not many records which have been made public as yet.
I know there was no C of E marriage in Whitehaven as I have transcribed an index for these myself.
Hugh doesn't appear to be in 1851 Census which is indexed by the Cumbria FHS. Jim said he was checking 1841 for you so hopefully he can come up with the DEVLINS. As James was born in Ireland (about 1838 according to 1861) and Margaret was born in Whitehaven about 1840 they should be somewhere!
Joan
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edwardkenna
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Dear Joan,I can see that you are spot on.The interesting manifestation in the 1861 census, is the Grand daughter,Margaret Ann.Grandaughter from where I wonder? .Interestingly a "Margaret Ann Hillon "turned up in Durham from no where and was married there.I wonder?.As for accents.Have you ever heard a drunken Geordie of the pit variety and old school ,talking???.Combined with some Irish,the Wind Talkers wouldn,t stand a chance.I will add the latest spelling of the name Hilland to the list.Looks like Hugh and Margaret got married inbetween 1861 and 1867but I don,t think Margaret Ann went with them to Usworth.
Thanks again Joan,Regards.Ted.
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I certainly think accents and illiteracy have a great part to play. It took me several fruitless years (12) to eventually find where my grandfathers parents were from. His mother registered all the births of the family and signed with a cross, her name was spelt in a variety of ways by the same registrar, Durdan, Dorn, Doran etc. Thankfully the 1901 census came along and ended the search.
I discovered through the census that the name was, Doran and that they all came from Whitehaven in Cumberland. I was then able to locate them on the 1881 census (on line) happily residing at, 9 Front Row New Houses Preston Quarter Whitehaven Cumberland. I have not been able to check the 1891 census yet but sometime after 1881 the extended family of Dorans, Murrays and Kennedys appear to have moved en masse to Blyth Northumberland, where they were residing in 1901. Did something happen to make many move? certainly their were many pits in Blyth offering work, (non now though),
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Northumberland; Mann, Lynn, Waters, Pyle, Murray. Yorkshire; Ellis, Heckison, Proctor.
Lincolnshire; Wilkinson, Dawson.
Cumberland; Doran, Murray. Cheshire; Sutton,
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