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Debwilson1967
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Trying to find the Benson family. Originally I thought they were from Richmond, Surrey but now believe it to be Richmond, Yorkshire. Robert Benson born about 1806 was born in Richmond. On the 1871 census, Surrey had been added later. However the 1841 census sees Robert living in Surrey and according to the census he was not born in the county. His son, Robert Benson was born about 1833 and I later find him in one of the census as being born in Ripon.
I have access to the census returns but i am looking for baptism/marriage dates etc. I believe Robert senior married Elizabeth ? and Robert junior married Sophia Dumbarton in 1858 ( he was living in London by then).
Any help greatly appreciated 
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Valda
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Sorry I'm finding your information a little confusing. Do you mean the Robert Benson aged 37 on the 1871 census (a widower, sister-in-law Emily Dumbarton) born Richmond living in St. George Hanover Square? 1881 census in Battersea aged 47, having remarried. Again gives birthplace as Richmond Surrey. 1891 still in Battersea aged 57 still born Richmond Surrey, still a porter. Same information in 1901. He is very consistent an insistent on a birthplace in Surrey.
Have you proved (since Robert is difficult to find on the 1851 and 1861 censuses) that he is the Robert on the 1841 census - St George Hanover Square Middlesex - not born Middlesex aged 8? with adults Robert aged 35 head of household. Elizabeth aged 40 and Thomas aged 68 all not born Middlesex. What details does Robert junior give about his father on his marriage?
Do you believe the same Robert senior aged 43 a servant was in St George Hanover Square in 1851. He gives his birthplace as Ripon Yorkshire. His wife's name was Charlotte aged 56 a laundress and born Cheltenham and son Edward aged 13 was born Pimlico probably just before civil registration as if this was the same family as the 1841 census his age was given as 4.
There is no coverage of Ripon parish registers on the IGI for the period you are interested in or St. John Richmond Surrey. The IGI has full coverage of Richmond Yorkshire.
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Valda
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Debwilson1967
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Hi Valda
thanks for replying
1841 HO 107/732/9
St George Hanover Sq Mddx
8 Cutmores Buildings.
Benson
Robert 35 can't read occupation not born in County
Elizabeth 40 NBIC
Thomas 68 NBIC
Robert 8 NBIC
Thomas 6
Edward 4
Emma Green 20 dresmaker NBIC
plus 3 servants
1851 HO/1478/382/35
8 Cutmores Buildings
Benson
Robert 43 servant born Ripon
Charlotte 56 Cheltenham Gloucester
Edward 13 Pimlico Middx
Jane Fisher 24 servant Bristol
1861 RG9/707/73/3
Heckfield ? Lodge Winchester
Robert one of many servants age 53 coachman/domestic servant born Ripon Yorkshire
1871 RG 10/1229/?page
Dogmersfield House, Hampshire
Robert one of many servants age 62 coachamn born Ripon Yorkshire
I can't find Robert after that
Going back to 1841 census the other Robert age 8
1851 & 1861 i can't find my notes at the moment
but Robert married twice, firstly Sophia Dumbarton in 1858 (she died 1870 age 37) and then he married her sister Emily in 1874. My family descends from the first marriage
1871 robert is in St George Hanover Square
states his birth place as Richmond but Surrey is added in a different Hand so that is why I am wondering whether it could be Richmond Yorkshire
in 1881 he is in Battersea and it does state Surrey as birthplace ditto 1891 and 1901
My family descends from his son Edward Percival Benson
I have made contact with another distant Benson cousin but like me she is unable to get beyond Robert senior. Debbie
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Valda
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Debbie
I think you need to confirm 100% that you have the right father for Robert junior and the way to do that is to obtain the details of one of his marriage certificates, to establish for certain he is the Robert on the 1841 census.
Robert born Richmond Surrey is pretty insistent that that was where he was born so that would mean he would have to give incorrect information on 4 different censuses over a span of 30 years. The parish registers for Richmond Yorkshire appear on the IGI. I presume you have checked the IGI and haven't found him? Whereas St John Richmond Surrey are not. You would need to look at the actual registers to check for his baptism. If it is him on the 1841 census a not born Middlesex would be perfectly consistent with being born in Surrey (or any other county except Middlesex). I think Robert senior's occupation on the 1841 census might be MS. The 1841 census often used abbreviations. MS = male servant which would be consistent with the later censuses where he was a domestic coachman.
Young singleton men are often difficult to spot on censuses (they seem to go out of their way to avoid being enumerated even on modern censuses). That would account for the difficulties of finding Robert on the 1851 census. There are many pieces of the census missing for 1861 around the Westminster area which would also account for not finding him on the 1861 census and Robert senior's wife, if she was still in the area.
Robert senior gives his birthplace as Ripon Yorkshire. Again the IGI does not cover those parish registers. It is a very incomplete index but by far the best index there is for baptisms and marriages across the whole country. You would need to search again for his baptism in the actual registers. The registers will have been filmed and you could order them at your local Family History Centre, employ researchers or the county record office to search for you, visit if you are able, or request a search on Rootschat. You can purchase a fiche from West Surrey Family History Society which is a detailed baptism index. I don't know of anything similar for Ripon.
Deaths Sep 1872
BENSON Robert 68 Hartley W. 2c 93
Hartley Witney registration district covers Dogmersfield. If it was a fellow servant or his employer who registered the death, that might account for the difference in age.
Regards
Valda
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Hi
sorry, forgot to say that Robert junior's father on his marriage certificate is Robert Benson. Would someone who was born in Surrey move as far North as Ripon and then return. I suppose if he was working for a rich family he could move with them.
Do the Mormons hold all the baptisms on film or would I need to go to Ripon to see the baptism registers?
Really appreciate your help
Debbie
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Valda
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Robert senior was born in Ripon Yorkshire. He didn't actually return to Ripon did he? He died in Hampshire. His wife (if he only had one) Elizabeth/Charlotte was born in Gloucestershire. So it looks like Robert might have come south following his work and married and had a family in the London area, including Robert junior born Richmond Surrey (who was still in London on the 1901 census).
Family History Centres
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp
this website will indicate your nearest and if you click the tab 'Family History Library Catalogue' and place and type in Ripon, up will come England, York, Ripon and you can see what they have.
There is a Ripon Historical Society and Family History Group
http://www.riponhistoricalsociety.org.uk/
They have a microfiche for sale of the transcript of the parish registers of Ripon cathedral.
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Valda
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Debwilson1967
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