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stevenson
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Sarah Twig Jr in 1950
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Looking for Fred Pearce and Edith
the last child was born in Henley in 1911/12 called Jesse, child before that, was Gilbert born in Henley in Feb 1910.
each child had at least three names and were never known by their first name.(just to confuse me, so Fred and Edith might not be what their birth names are  )
children's names....that can be in any combination,re-using the same names.
they had a least thirteen children one girl adopted
Frederick, Jesse/Jessie ,Eric, Thomas, Cyril, Percy, Henry, Charles, Gilbert ,Roy, Reg, Leonard, Reginald ,Harold, Herbert, Bertie (he was a Butler to Winston Churchill ) Edith ,Grace,Gladys....only two girls and one had a nickname tiny.
Fred died about 1912/14and Edith remarried not long after.
Eric was born in Swindon in 1902 so Other children could have also been born there.
Would love to find this family please
Just hoping someone can help me please,I have searched and searched and now need a fresh pair of eyes.
Steve
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Nutty1966
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Annie Isabelle Bollands nee Rice
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Hi Steve
I had a quick look, have you seen this one
RG13 1909 16 23
30 WESTON STREET, SWINDON
FREDERICK PEARCE HEAD MAU 29 G W RAILWAY EAST HAINRELX
EMILY L DO WIFE 30 WOOTTON BASSETT
HORTENCE M DO DAU 4 SWINDON
ALICE M M DO DAU 2 SWINDON
EDWARD F DO SON 1 SWINDON
EDITH DO SISTER SINGLE 21 GEN SER DOM BERWICK BASSETT
May help or hinder 
Jane
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LEICESTERSHIRE & MIDDLESBROUGH - BOLLANDS, GORE, LINCOLNSHIRE - BAKEWELL, MARRIOTT MONAGHAN & CRAMLINGTON - RICE LAZENBY - HANSOM, HARRISON, NODDINGS, EASBY BARNBY DUN - HARVEY, BLANCHARD DANBY & WHITBY - JEFFELS LIVERPOOL - GANDER SKELTON & ESTON - SEATON BEDALE & MIDDLESBROUGH - STEPHENSON BROUGHTON - HARRISON MIDDLESBROUGH - WARD,FOSTER PINCHINTHORPE - POSTGATE BILSDALE- BOYES Cenusu informations is from crown copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uK |
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stevenson
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Nutty
Thank you so much
nothing will hinder on this one ,anything is most greatfully received.
Alice and Edward are not names remembered by my children's G G Grandfather and at 98 ,he can REALLY be forgiven.
I feel really bad not spending more time on my children's tree and I am now running out of time on this one.
REALLY need to find their family NOW please ,just need to find them.
Anything how ever small please
Frantic Steve
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Nutty1966
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Steve
Do you have any of the birth certs for this large family , what was dad's occupation - any idea? Wonder if it could be a different spelling Pierce Pearse??? clutching at straws for you 
Jane
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LEICESTERSHIRE & MIDDLESBROUGH - BOLLANDS, GORE, LINCOLNSHIRE - BAKEWELL, MARRIOTT MONAGHAN & CRAMLINGTON - RICE LAZENBY - HANSOM, HARRISON, NODDINGS, EASBY BARNBY DUN - HARVEY, BLANCHARD DANBY & WHITBY - JEFFELS LIVERPOOL - GANDER SKELTON & ESTON - SEATON BEDALE & MIDDLESBROUGH - STEPHENSON BROUGHTON - HARRISON MIDDLESBROUGH - WARD,FOSTER PINCHINTHORPE - POSTGATE BILSDALE- BOYES Cenusu informations is from crown copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uK |
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stevenson
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straws is all I have at the moment
have one cert for Gilbert..Feb 1910, father Fred Pearce mother Edith Hatton......Ag lab from the marriage cert
But Gilbert says his father was called Len.....so ......was he really Leonard Frederick.
steve
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stevenson
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I have never been able to find a Hatton and Pearce marriage that fits...and changing the spellings has never helped.
always thought Ireland was hard.... 
any help is most welcome please, I feel really guilty not doing more before...and I know now ,I am runnng out of time.
Gilbert would like to know what happened to his mother...and I can not help him...
Steve
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Valda
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There seems to be only one possible Hatton Pearce marriage
Marriages Dec 1898
PEARCE Frederick Charles Dorchester 5a 799
MAIDENS Frederick Charles Dorchester 5a 799
not sure whether this is the same man with two different surnames
married either
HATTON Jane Ellen M Dorchester 5a 799
or
DUNFORD Adelaide Elizabeth Dorchester 5a 799
Obviously not an Edith Hatton, but then there is this 1901 census entry.
RG13 1113 folio 39
Chilbolton Down Chilbolton Hampshire
Frederick C Pearce 27 Briantspuddle, Dorset, Head Married Shepherd on farm
Edith J Pearce 24 Croydon, Surrey, Wife Married
Edward Pearce 4 Dorchester, Dorset, Son
Herbert Pearce 2 Dorchester, Dorset, Son
Cyril Pearce 1 Hyde North Wareham, Dorset, Son
plus 2 boarders
The marriage and the census entry may not be the same people, but it does seem a possibility that they are.
A possible birth registration for Cyril
Births Jun 1900
Pearce Shadrick Cyril C Wareham 5a 282
and for Herbert
Births Mar 1899
Pearce Harry Herbert Dorchester 5a 313
'Edward' is more tricky because his birth, if it is the right marriage, would be before it.
Do these names seem likely for Gilbert's siblings?
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Valda
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stevenson
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Valda
Thank you so much
It is the Edward that always made me put this one to a side,and they always said they were from Oxfordshire. or Hertfordshire
WILL try and ask him tomorrow when I go to the hospital .....If he knows anything else.( very hard at the moment .........I do know Edward has never came up in any conversation before.)
Gilbert Thomas Henry was born February 1910 in Henley parents Fred Pearce and Edith Hatton 3a 973 in 1910
he says his father was known as Leo and he died before 1916 as that was when he went to work(age 6) with his brother Eric in Hereford (his father had already died and his mother remarried...quite quick,,,,do not know whom she married)
I do not think it was not uncommon for a child to go to work age 6 in those days ,Gilbert was still digging an acre by hand up to a few years ago,not bad for a 96 year old.........90 years of back braking work.
can we find them
who did Edith get married to
where is she buried...please
Steve
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Valda
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I can find no Edward birth registration in Dorset for either a Hatton or a Pearce so the name Edward has the possibility of being a red herring.
A lot of possibilities but no actual proven evidence however.
You need to try to either confirm or eliminate this family/families as a possibility. The two records don't make finding either Edith of Frederick any easier before 1901 (you would need the details from the marriage certificate) and it seems they don't help much post 1901 either.
Regards
Valda
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stevenson
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thank you Valda
think I will send off for more children details ,to see if that might help
Regards Steve
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stevenson
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Valda
Just to let you know...got the certs today......and THAT WAS THEM IN 1901....Fred was a Shepperd.....
Frederick Charles Pearce and Edith Jane Pearce formerly Hatton but some certs have E.Jane Pearce...... so ..Now.....think I need to order that marriage in 1898.
and its so funny that Cyril was actually a Shadrick....that will make Gilbert smile today when he sees the certs.
As for Edward ......think I need to see if he died young, thats why nobody remembers him.(or his birth name is something completely different) and yes, does look like he was born before they married, but they did take in an orphan from their immediate family in the early 1900's... so perhaps Edward belonged to someone else too.
Thank you for your help .
Anything else for this family would be most greatfully received...really like to find Edith (WHO SHE REMARRIED AND WHERE SHE IS BURIED)
A.S.P
Steve
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Valda
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This was the only Pearce I could find born Briantspuddle at about the right time. Interestingly he had a Shadrack connection.
1881 census RG10 2102 folio 6
Throop Cottage Tonerspuddle Dorset
Shadrack Hardy 53 Bradford, Dorset, Head Married Farm Labourer
Mary Hardy 39 Puddletown, Dorset, Wife Married
Thomas Hardy 24 Bere Regis, Dorset, Son Farm Labourer
James Pearce 11 Briantspuddle, Dorset, Wife's son
Jane Hardy 1 Throop, Dorset, Daughter
Willoughby Hardy 2 mths Throop, Dorset, Son
1871 census RG10 1997 folio ?
Affpuddle Dorset
Thomas Pearce 51 Puddletown, Dorset, Head Married Ag lab
Elizabeth Pearce 50 Athelhampton, Dorset, Wife Married
Sarah Pearce 23 Bryantspuddle, Dorset, Daughter
Frederic Prance 15 Bryantspuddle, Dorset, Son
Ellen Pearce 10 Osmaston, Dorset, Daughter
Alice Pearce 6 Athelhampton, Dorset, Daughter
James Mitchell Pearce 1 Bryantspuddle, Dorset, Grandson
next door to the Mitchell family
Following James Mitchell Pearce led me to Frederick C Maidens.
1881 census RG11 2102 folio 21
Affpuddle Dorset
Thomas Pearce 65 Puddletown, Dorset, Head Widower Ag lab
Alice Pearce 17 Athelhampton, Dorset, Daughter
Frederick C. Maidens 8 East Indies Grandson
There may be some doubt where Frederick was staying the night of the 1881 census.
1881 census RG11 2143 folio 176
Royal Artillery Barracks Exeter Heavitree Devon
Charles Maidens 37 Boston, Lincoln, Head Married Gunner R H A
Emma Maidens 36 Puddletown, Dorset, Wife Married
Fredrick Maidens 8 India Son
Anna L. Maidens 8 India Daughter
Florence? Maidens 6 Woolwich, Kent, Daughter
Thomas Maidens 5 Dublin, Ireland Son
Edward Maidens 4 Dublin, Ireland Son
Arthur Maidens 2 Newbridge Kildare, Ireland Son
Elizabeth Maidens 1 Newbridge Kildare, Ireland Daughter
Marriages Dec 1870
MAIDENS Charles Wareham 5a 629
Pearce Emma Jane Wareham 5a 629
Frederick was not with his parents in Aldershot on the 1891 census and he was no longer using the Maidens surname.
1891 census RG12 1654 folio 22
Parsonage House Dewlish Dorset
Fredrick Pearce 18 East Indies Lodger Shepherd
Frederick's birth registration will be in the overseas military section of the GRO index. It can be found on the web but only on a pay by view website.
http://www.findmypast.com/HomeServlet
To find what happened to Edith you at least need to know her second married name. I would trawl first through the GRO death indexes looking for the possible death of Frederick C. Pearce. It doesn't yet appear to be indexed on FreeBMD.
You can search the GRO index quarter by quarter here.
http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/rectype/vital/freebmd/bmd.aspx
This shows you which quarters have been fully indexed by FreeBMD
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/progress.shtml
Once you have found a possible or possibles within the time frame you think he died, you have an area/county to begin to search for Edith's marriage. That will help narrow down whether she married as Edith J etc. (after 1911 the second name is only shown by an initial in the GRO index) You will need her first marriage details since you need to know who her father was to be sure you have the correct second marriage. With the information from the second marriage it will probably be a long haul through the death indexes to find her death. You just have to hope her second husband did not have a common surname and a fairly unusual first name, because tracking him might also help find Edith.
Regards
Valda
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stevenson
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Valda..you are a star...thank you so much
I will look through this lot later...To piece together everything.....
I have been trying to find Edith and I think I have found her under Ellen in
1891 RG12 586 43 page15.Croydon
Her Father Thomas and Mother Esther.
a marriage looks like Esther was Buckland and previous census has her as Hester.
Think that marriage cert in1898 will be posted off for now.
Think I have found Fred's death in 1915 in Hertfordshire and not one living relative knows Edith's name on her remarriage
Thank you
Steve
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Valda
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I think you need the marriage details which give father's information to be sure which Edith/Jane Ellen M is the correct census entry for your grandmother.
Edith/Jane Ellen M was 24 on the 1901 census which if correct would give her birth year as circa 1877. The Ellen born Croydon on the 1891 census was aged 12 - birth year circa 1879.
Births Sep 1878
Hatten Ellen Croydon 2a 215
This Ellen may also still be in Croydon in 1901. The entry gives married, but that may be for appearances - no Hatton/Hatten marriages with an Ellen spouse between 1891 and 1901 in Croydon registration district.
RG13 645 folio 36
208 Gloster Road Croydon
Ellen Hatton 23 Croydon Head Married Laundry Maid
Richard Hatton 9 months Croydon Son
I think the Edith/Jane Ellen M's birth registration is more likely to be this one, placing Jane Ellen M's birth at an earlier date.
Births Sep 1875
Hatten Jane Ellen M Croydon 2a 214
The most likely candidate on the 1881 census is with this family which gives Jane a Dorset connection through her mother.
1881 census RG11 810 folio 123
Pitlake 1 Bridge Terrace Croydon Surrey
Charles Hatton 32 Croydon, Surrey, Lodger (Head) Married Horsekeeper
Harriett Hatton 36 ? Dorset, Wife Married
Alice Hatton 8 Croydon, Surrey, Daughter
Jane Hatton 5 Croydon, Surrey, Daughter
Joseph Hatton 3 Croydon, Surrey, Son
Harriett Hatton 1 Croydon, Surrey, Daughter
Deaths Sep 1885
Hatton Charles 36 Croydon 2a 126
1891 census RG12 498 folio 20
10 Albion Street St Paul Deptford London
George Lang 44 N Head Married Conductor
Harriet Lang 46 Dorchester Wife Married
Frederick Lang 3 Croydon, Kent, Son
Harriett Hutton 11 Croydon, Kent, Daughter
Joseph Hutton 13 Croydon, Kent, Son
On the 1901 census George, Harriet and Frederick are in Lambeth.
1891 census RG12 448 folio 62
22 East Hill All Saints Wandsworth London
Jane Hatton 16 Croydon, Surrey, General Servant
1871 census RG10 841 folio 17
3 Church Road Croydon
Joseph Hatton 47 Croydon, Surrey head Married Labourer
Sarah Hatton 49 Croydon, Surrey Married
Charles Hatton 23 Croydon, Surrey Son Labourer
CHARLES JOSEPH HATTIN
Christening: 01 APR 1849 Saint John The Baptist, Croydon, Surrey
Father: JOSEPH HATTIN
Mother: SARAH
Births Dec 1848 HATTON Charles Joseph Croydon 4 115
You need Ellen Jane's birth certificate to confirm her mother's maiden name, but this is an interesting possibility for her parent's marriage.
Marriages Dec 1871
Hatton Joseph Charles St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 658
either
Pearce Harriett St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 658
or
Manington Caroline Martha St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 658
A candidate for Harriet Pearce is in the near vicinity for a marriage later in the year.
1871 census RG10 29 folio 71
24 Hyde Park Gate South, Kensington London
Harriet Pearce 26 Dorchester, Dorset, Servant Housemaid
I can't see a Frederick Pearce death registration in 1915 that fits in Hertfordshire or elsewhere - which one do you think it might be?
Regards
Valda
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Valda
Yes that all looks like it fits...I will play around today with the families and see where they lead me backwards etc.
Intresting link to the Pearce's with Harriet ,and Fred's grandfather Thomas ,seems to have spent his whole life in Puddle and he is on his own in the 1841.....so his parents not with him 
Frederick's death in Hertfordshire is a "Steve" error
Edward in the 1901 with Fred and Edith could be her son
Edward Ernest born 1897 JFM 2a 269 Croydon
will let you know what is on the marriage when I receive it.
Grateful thanks Steve
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