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Helina
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I am researching the Tinney family from Plymouth.
To start with can find no record of Jessie Tinney's birth.
She was my Great Grandmother, born 1862, Moricetown, Devon, parents Peter Tinney and Mary Ann Williams. Found her marriage and am sending for a certificate but no birth.
Another puzzle her brother Alfred Peter married Alice Curtis and according to the 1861 census she had a sister called Sophia age 4 both daughters to Mary Curtis age 77? ?I've treble checked. Now there is also a niece Sophia age 40 gather she is the mother and the census has made abit of a mistake. At least I hope so.
Can somebody check a birth for Jessie, I may of just missed the entry.
Any help or information on this family would be appreciated.
helina
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Austin,Bistol
Coole,Bristol
Lewis, Bristol
Williams,Olveston
Howard,Bristol
Shepherd Admonsbury.
Tinney, Plymouth.
Ogborn,Bristol.
Blore.Derbyshire,Bristol,Redditch.
Richards,Bristol
Milson, Bitton
Harrison, Derbyshire
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Helina
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Another question. Looking into the 1871 census and see that Alice age 11 is a passenger, but what does "Passenger In Ganges " mean?
helina
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Austin,Bistol
Coole,Bristol
Lewis, Bristol
Williams,Olveston
Howard,Bristol
Shepherd Admonsbury.
Tinney, Plymouth.
Ogborn,Bristol.
Blore.Derbyshire,Bristol,Redditch.
Richards,Bristol
Milson, Bitton
Harrison, Derbyshire
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lcsnor
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She's on board the "Ganges" on census night. It is a training ship for boys and an odd place for an 11 year old girl. (see enumerator's comments for that census district)
There are 2 other Curtis on board.
Edward 16 "boy 2nd class" b. Birkenhead, Lancs
Samuel 51, married, Boatswain 1 class, Barnstaple, Devon
Perhaps she is related to one of them.
Louise
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Desperately seeking: Martha Ann Keily - Limerick/Woolwich mid 1800s Mary Jane Hawkins - Bridgwater c.1835 George Gulson - Warmfield or Mansfield 1790s Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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rjknott
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There is also John Curtis, 22, AB, b Newton Bushel a few pages earlier
This will tell you about HMS Ganges:
http://www.hmsgangesassoc.org/frigate.html
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Knott,Boutell,Warman,Winder,Webster,Uings,Evans,Drage
Pike,Pike,Watson,Pratt,Homewood,Stephenson,Brown,Pattison
Holmes,Tomlinson,Moorby,Cardus,Gill,Lambert,Binns,Emmott
Fenning,Pudney,Wilson,Walker,Hine,Treeby,Knox,Butler
Jack,Carswell,Gardiner,Alexander,Gibb,Watson,Naismith,Telfer
Gray,Inglis,Gibb,Watson,Taylor,Taylor,Gaff,Henderson
Gayford,Clarke,Palmer,Jessup,Smart,Hutson,Lloyd,Northover
Ridley,Lee,?,Mingings,Moore,Colthart,Lawson,Hind
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merc2081
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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In 1861 Sophia is described as "Wife of warrant officer".
Is a boatswain 1st class a Warrant officer?
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lcsnor
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Several of the children on board do seem to be related to officers on board.
(just so you have the full info, John Curtis is apparently on another vessel, the "Liberty Tender", but is in the same listing)
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Desperately seeking: Martha Ann Keily - Limerick/Woolwich mid 1800s Mary Jane Hawkins - Bridgwater c.1835 George Gulson - Warmfield or Mansfield 1790s Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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lcsnor
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In 1881 Samuel is in Tamar, Stoke Damerel, 19 Herbert St.
Samuel 61, wid, Retired Warrant officer,
Alice, 20, unm., Dressmaker.
RG11/2213
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rjknott
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HMS Liberty was the tender ship to HMS Ganges in 1871.
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Knott,Boutell,Warman,Winder,Webster,Uings,Evans,Drage
Pike,Pike,Watson,Pratt,Homewood,Stephenson,Brown,Pattison
Holmes,Tomlinson,Moorby,Cardus,Gill,Lambert,Binns,Emmott
Fenning,Pudney,Wilson,Walker,Hine,Treeby,Knox,Butler
Jack,Carswell,Gardiner,Alexander,Gibb,Watson,Naismith,Telfer
Gray,Inglis,Gibb,Watson,Taylor,Taylor,Gaff,Henderson
Gayford,Clarke,Palmer,Jessup,Smart,Hutson,Lloyd,Northover
Ridley,Lee,?,Mingings,Moore,Colthart,Lawson,Hind
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Helina
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Tati,
Folio 203 p 11 peice 2124
Hope this helps
helina.
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Austin,Bistol
Coole,Bristol
Lewis, Bristol
Williams,Olveston
Howard,Bristol
Shepherd Admonsbury.
Tinney, Plymouth.
Ogborn,Bristol.
Blore.Derbyshire,Bristol,Redditch.
Richards,Bristol
Milson, Bitton
Harrison, Derbyshire
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Helina
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You all have been very helpfull. Will have to have a closer look who the others were on board.
What do you mean by tender ship? I'm not very navy minded.
Looks like the mother must of died between 1861-1871, need to do some more research, but can now order a birth certificate for Jessie, did wonder if Jessie was a real name.
Thanks again
helina
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Austin,Bistol
Coole,Bristol
Lewis, Bristol
Williams,Olveston
Howard,Bristol
Shepherd Admonsbury.
Tinney, Plymouth.
Ogborn,Bristol.
Blore.Derbyshire,Bristol,Redditch.
Richards,Bristol
Milson, Bitton
Harrison, Derbyshire
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rjknott
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What do you mean by tender ship? I'm not very navy minded. http://www.pdavis.nl/ShowShip.php?id=1691http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship's_tenderLooks like the mother must of died between 1861-1871 Which mother do you mean?
Are you interested in your great-grandmother's sister-in-law's parents (Curtis) ie not direct ancestors - or your great-grandmother's parents (Tinney)?
The latter are in Devomport in 1871 indexed under TENNEY.helina
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Knott,Boutell,Warman,Winder,Webster,Uings,Evans,Drage
Pike,Pike,Watson,Pratt,Homewood,Stephenson,Brown,Pattison
Holmes,Tomlinson,Moorby,Cardus,Gill,Lambert,Binns,Emmott
Fenning,Pudney,Wilson,Walker,Hine,Treeby,Knox,Butler
Jack,Carswell,Gardiner,Alexander,Gibb,Watson,Naismith,Telfer
Gray,Inglis,Gibb,Watson,Taylor,Taylor,Gaff,Henderson
Gayford,Clarke,Palmer,Jessup,Smart,Hutson,Lloyd,Northover
Ridley,Lee,?,Mingings,Moore,Colthart,Lawson,Hind
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rjknott
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... and if you want Curtis:
1871 RG10/2290
Penryn
Sophie Curtis, 49, mariner's wife, b Devonport
Rosina Curtis, 14, dau, b Devomport
Birth Dec 1856 Sophia Rosina Curtis Stoke Damerel 5b 286
Richard
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Knott,Boutell,Warman,Winder,Webster,Uings,Evans,Drage
Pike,Pike,Watson,Pratt,Homewood,Stephenson,Brown,Pattison
Holmes,Tomlinson,Moorby,Cardus,Gill,Lambert,Binns,Emmott
Fenning,Pudney,Wilson,Walker,Hine,Treeby,Knox,Butler
Jack,Carswell,Gardiner,Alexander,Gibb,Watson,Naismith,Telfer
Gray,Inglis,Gibb,Watson,Taylor,Taylor,Gaff,Henderson
Gayford,Clarke,Palmer,Jessup,Smart,Hutson,Lloyd,Northover
Ridley,Lee,?,Mingings,Moore,Colthart,Lawson,Hind
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