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Topic: James McCully 1841/51 Census (Read 696 times)
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Allan Robson
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Hello All
Would somebody please look up the following on the 1841/51 Census
James McCully born 1801 Ireland
Ann wife born 1801 Sunderland
They were married in Dumbarton in 1824
Sorry this all I have
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Allan Robson
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Allan
These look like some of James McC and Ann Hartley's children on IGI:
1. ARTHUR MCCULLY Christening: 15 FEB 1824 Dumbarton, Dunbarton, Scotland
2. ABRAM MCCULLY Christening: 15 FEB 1824 Dumbarton, Dunbarton, Scotland
3. ARTHER MCCULLY Christening: 24 JUL 1825 Dumbarton, Dunbarton, Scotland
4. MARY MCCULLY Christening: 04 FEB 1827 Dumbarton, Dunbarton, Scotland
5. JAMES MCCULLY Christening: 07 DEC 1828 Dumbarton, Dunbarton, Scotland
6. JOHN MCCULLY Christening: 18 DEC 1831 Dumbarton, Dunbarton, Scotland
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Monica
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Allan Robson
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Thanks Monica
The Baptism I am looking for is Robert Barr McCully born around 1842, I cant seem to find him.
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Allan
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MonicaLesl
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Allan
Haven't seen that one but I have only looked at IGI under standard spelling (which doesn't always pick up on all the spelling variants). I have found the family in 1841 in Dumbarton. Big household  As you know, the 1841 does not show relationships within the household, so difficult to say if all the children showing are James and Ann's. There is also another couple in the household, again difficult to say what the connection is at this stage and what children may be theirs:
James, 35, , glass maker, b. Ireland
Ann, 35, b. England
Abraham, 15, b. in the county
Arthur, 14, b. in the county
Mary, 12, b. in the county
James, 10, b. in the county
John, 8, b. in the county
Joseph, 7, b England
Elizabeth, 6, b. England
Arthur, 5, b. England
Ann, 2, b. England
Margaret, 1, b. England
John McCully, 25, glass maker, b. in the county
Elizabeth McCully, 30, b. England
Address: High Street Southside, Dumbarton
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Monica
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Allan Robson
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Thanks Monica for your brilliant Help
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Allan
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MonicaLesl
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I can't see any OPR entry unfortunately for Robert's birth/christening anywhere in Scotland. I searched under Mc/Mac*l* to pick up on all the variants (McCully will have lots of variations as I'm sure you have found).
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Monica 
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Allan Robson
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Thanks Monica
It always seem to be the Ancestor you want is not there, I wonder if he was baptised in the same church as his siblings but record has been mislaid or as you say the spelling of McCully could be the problem.
Allan
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Allan Robson
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Hello Monica
I also have a relative I cant find baptised and I wonder if you could have a look on the OPR.
His name was John Robson with parents John Robson and Eleanor
he was born around 1839/40 wonder if you could please have a look.
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Allan Robson
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MonicaLesl
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Alan
Do you have the mother's Eleanor's maiden surname?
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Monica
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Allan Robson
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Hello Monice
Eleanor's maiden surname was Urwin.
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Allan
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MonicaLesl
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Back to your McCullys...I have found them in Durham England in the 1851 Census:
James McCully 49, glass maker, b. Scotland (?)
Ann McCully 49, b. Durham
Elizabeth McCully 15, b. Smithwick, Staffs
Robert McCully 9, b. Scotland
I'll have a look under Urwin for John's details if they show.
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Allan Robson
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Thanks Monica
Allan
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MonicaLesl
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There is a John Robson showing on the 1851 Census in England, with parents John and Eleanor. Could they be in England, everyone showing as born in Durham apart from John Snr.:
John Robson 43, coal miner, b. Northumberland
Eleanor Robson 42
John Robson 13, b. B(r)ighton/Durham
William Robson 10
Eleanor Robson 8
George Kent 21, lodger, coal miner
Do you have anything that shows your John as born in Scotland?
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MonicaLesl
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Allan
Jumping back to your McCully....that entry in England that shows James as born in Scotland got me thinking......
In the 1841 Census, there is a John between 1812-16 (with the rounding down for that census) born in the county of Dunbartonshire. I wondered whether thiscould be a brother to James.
Looking at the naming order of James and Ann's children, their first born child was called Arthur, which if they were following Scottish naming pattern would normally imply that this would be James's father's name. This name looks to be important given that it looks likely that the first born Arthur died and they used the name again shortly after.
Whilst I cannot find a likely birth entry of a James McCully to a father Arthur at the moment, I have found a possibility for (brother?) John McCully on IGI:
JOHN MCCULLY Birth: 09 MAY 1813 Christening: 23 MAY 1813 Dumbarton, Dunbarton, Scotland
Parents: Father: ARTHUR MCCULLY Mother: ELIZABETH DUMBAR
Maybe something to work on...
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Monica
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MonicaLesl
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You can tell I'm warming up on the naming pattern  This looks a likely entry for Ann Hartley on IGI:
ANN HARTLEY Birth: 29 DEC 1801/ Christening: 24 JAN 1802 Bishopwearmouth, Durham, England
Parents: Father: ABRAHAM HARTLEY Mother: MARY SKED
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