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Topic: Lewis/Bowcott family (Read 1614 times)
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oliviv
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Re your Bowcott query
Yes there is a William (spelt Boolcotte) on the tree who was baptised 25th March 1768 @ Merthyr Cynog; died 17th Feb 1848 @ Vron Gwenddwr (copy of Will) 1841 census @ this address. mentioned in father’s will 1812
He married on the 11th May 1808 @ Merthyr Cynog a Mary Davies who was the daughter of a Roger Davies who died 1829 and made a will 11th Jan. 1824. Farm Name - Noyadd, Llandewir’r Cwm, Builth Wells mentions daughter Mary wife of William Bowcott.
William & Mary had issue:-
1. Rev. William Bowcott born circ 1808/9 married Elizabeth Watkins daughter of Thomas Watkins Esq., of Fordfawr. Rev. Wm Bowcott was Rector of Llanfillo and is buried there. Memorial in Church
2. Mary Bowcott who married David Davies of Pentreffyntronnau, Cerrigcaran
(Source Father’s will of 1848)
3. Thomas Bowcott born circa 1813/4 married Jane ?
At the Vron on 1841 Census with parents and 1851 Census - do - married
Birth place - Llandewi’r Cwm - cross reference grandad Roger Davies
1861 and 1871 Census at Blaengwenddwr, Gwenddwr who had issue Mary Ann Bowcott who married William Thomas Griffiths (descendants still living in Gwenddwr Parish)
It woul appear that William Bollcotte bapt. 25.4.1768 was the son of a Richard Bowcott/Bolcott who was the son of either a William or a John Bollcot and grandson of Richard Bollcott who made a will @ Merthyr Cynog - 14th Jan. 1757; Will proved 20th May 1757 .
It gets a bit complicated so I think it best if you ask th questions
Hope the info is of some help
Best Wishes
OliViv
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Mev
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Hi Oliviv
Thank you so much. This is definately the right family. David & Mary Davies were recorded at Pentrefynnau on 1841 census.
My G Grandfather Samuel Evans lived with them. Think I will have to order copies of the wills. I will fill in what I can on my tree and get back to you again when I have it straight if that is ok. You truly are a godsend.
Best wishes
Mev
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Mev
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Hi Oliviv
From what you have said I have my William (c1768-1848) and Dave's Thomas (c1764-1833) as brothers - both sons of the same Richard & Mary (nee Jones). Did this Richard have any other children do you know either by Mary or Gwenllian. Is there any mention of whether Richard's cousin Richard had any children and were these 2 Richards the only known grandchildren of Richard who died c1757. Sorry lots of questions.
I have found a marriage for Thomas c1813 to a Jane Jenkins Dec quarter 1847 . There was a Jane Jenkins living with the Bowcott's at Vron on 1841 census as a female servant.A possibility maybe.
best wishes
Mev
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oliviv
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Re Lewis/Bowcott Family
Yes according to the family tree given to me William Boolcotte bapt 25.4.1768 and Thomas Bowcott bapt. 10.12.1764 were brothers. Other siblings were:-
1. Richard Bowcott bapt. 8.7.1763; John Bowcott Bapt. 27.10.1766; Easter Bowcot bapt. 11.1.1770 buried 17.2.1770.
The earliest details on the tree are as below:-
Richard Bollcott (will made at Merthyr Cynog - 14th Jan 1757 and proved 20th May 1757. The will mentions two sons William and John (and poss grandsons also mentioned)
The son William had a son named Richard as did the son named John whose son was also called Richard. The next generation is also called Richard but it is not clear whether he is the son of William or Richard.
The last named Richard (the father of Richard; William; John; Thomas and Easter) made a will 16.12.1810 which was proved 22.2.1812. This will mentions marriage settlement with first wife MARY JONES dated 30.6.1762. then Merthyr Cynog. 8.12.1772 Richard Bowcott widower married Gwenllian Morgan.
My apologies for lack of clarity but the tree is a bit difficult to follow. If I can be of any further help please do not hesitate to ask
Best Wishes
Oliviv
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davidjkrichards
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Hi Oliviv & Mev
I am so grateful for the filling in of blanks on my tree. Great to see that we are distant relations too, Mev. I see that you are both able to get copies of wills. I have tried but it would appear that because I just live over the border in Shropshire I can't order them from The National Library of Wales on-line. Is this the case or am I just a bit dense? I blame the drugs! Is there another way I can order documents?
If either of you are interested then you can follow the branch of Thomas (b 1764) at
http://gw4.geneanet.org/index.php3?b=newlandrichards
If you find it useful and would like access to those born after 1907 or still alive email me & I will let you have the necessary passwords.
Thanks to you both
Dave
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Richards, Hewlett, Kear, Elsmore, Brown, Adams, Griffiths, Partridge - Gloucestershire
Richards, Morgan, Jones, Phillips, Duggins, Williams, Watkins, Palmer - Glamorgan
Watkins, Lewis , Havard, Bowcott - Breconshire
Palmer,Palmour, Lewis, Phillips, Dawkins - Pembroke
East, Radford - Devon
Scanlon, Tynan, Farrell, McManus, Burn - Co Longford, Ireland
Perry, Pugh, Glaze, Roberts, Reynolds, Lister, Jones, Thomas, Pearce - Shropshire
Edwards, Speake - Herefordshire
Swan, Taft, Pearce- Staffs
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Mev
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Hi Oliviv
Can I impose again please. Do you have any details of the other Richard (uncle to my William). Did he marry and have any children? I would like to try and work out which Richard is son of William and which is son of John if possible so any info you have on both of them could be useful.
Many thanks
Mev
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oliviv
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Bowcott
Sorry I am not able to give you info on Richard - the Richard Bowcott, your William's father, is shown on the tree as being EITHER the son of Richard (a son of William Bollcott and therefore a grandson of William Bollcott
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the son of Richard (John Bollcot's son) and therefore a grandson of John Bollcott
The tree may also be interpretated that Richard was the son of William or John Bollcott as there is a ?? by the entry - OR it may be that this Richard was a grandson of the original Richard Bollcott who made a will 14.1.1757 (the dates may help you to solve the riddle) If he was the grandson of the original Richard Bollcott his father would have been William or John Bollcott.
This is quite difficult to explain so I hope I am not confusing things for you.
THOMAS BOWCOTT born circa 1813/4 Died 10.5.1875 on thre tree marries a Jane with a ?? mark.
I see they have offsprings
Mary Ann Bowcott b. Sept. 1850 and
Jane Bowcott b. circa 1854.
All for now. I was unable to open your family tree - the computer is too old and I am too old and I am not on Broadband
Best Wishes
OlivViv
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Mev
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Hi Olviv
Thank you so much for all your help.
I did find the marriage for Thomas(1813-1875) to a Jane Jenkins.
Does your tree have a James Bowcott born c1761 not sure where as he is shown on 1841 census only living at Nantymynach in Gwenddwr.
The link to my tree has to be done to an email address but is quiet easy to access and use if you contact me direct I can do it for you if you would like. It doesn't need broadband or anything fancy (I'm no spring chicken either).
Best wishes
Mev
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oliviv
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Sorry the christian name James does not appear even once on the tree.
Best Wishes
OlivViv
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Mev
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Hi Oliviv
Thanks for looking for me. I am truly greatful for all the help you have given me.
Best wishes
Mev
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oliviv
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It has been a pleasure - if you have a query on more recent members of your family don't hesitate to ask
Best Wishes
Oliviv
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oliviv
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Hello again
I don't know if you are still researching the Bowcott family tree but the other day while looking at a list of Memorial Inscriptions for Ebenezer Chapel, Upper Chapel (in the parish of Merthyr Cynog) I noticed the following inscription
Sacred to the Memory of James Bowcott
of Nantymynach in the Parish of Gwenddwr
Who died June 24, 1851. Aged 95 years.
I have no idea why he was buried at Ebenezer
Best Wishes
Oliviv
Hello again
I don't know if you are still researching the Bowcott family tree or not but the other day while looking at a list of Memorial Insriptions for Ebenezer Chaperl, Upper Chapel (In the parish of Merthyr Cynog) I noticed the following:-
Sacred to the Memory of James Bowcott
of Nantymynach in the Parish of Gwenddwr
Who died June 24, 1851. Aged95 years
I have no idea why he was buried at Ebenezer
Best Wishes
Oliviv
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davidjkrichards
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Hi Oliviv,
yes, thank you, We are still looking so all information still welcome.
Hope you are well
Dave
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Richards, Hewlett, Kear, Elsmore, Brown, Adams, Griffiths, Partridge - Gloucestershire
Richards, Morgan, Jones, Phillips, Duggins, Williams, Watkins, Palmer - Glamorgan
Watkins, Lewis , Havard, Bowcott - Breconshire
Palmer,Palmour, Lewis, Phillips, Dawkins - Pembroke
East, Radford - Devon
Scanlon, Tynan, Farrell, McManus, Burn - Co Longford, Ireland
Perry, Pugh, Glaze, Roberts, Reynolds, Lister, Jones, Thomas, Pearce - Shropshire
Edwards, Speake - Herefordshire
Swan, Taft, Pearce- Staffs
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Mev
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Hi Oliviv
Thanks for the info on James. I have been looking through the registers and have found the following -
Mary daughter of James Bowlcott baptised 20 Apr 1783 Merthyr Cynog
Margaret daughter of James Bowlcott baptised 28 Jan 1785 Merthyr Cynog
James son of James Bowcott & Joan baptised 22 Feb 1789 Merthyr Cynog
Joan daughter of James Bowcott & Joan baptised 20 Jul 1792 Merthyr Cynog
Elinor daughter of James Bowcott & Joan baptised 17 Aug 1795 Merthyr Cynog
Ann daugher of James Bowcott & Joan baptised 27 Feb 1799 Llandefailogfach
Rees son of James Bowcott & Joan baptised 1 Jan 1805 Llandefailogfach
9 Jan 1811 Joan wife of James Bowcott labourer buried Llandefailogfach
As Bowcott is such an unusual name in Breconshire I am sure that James must be related somehow but I haven't found a baptism record for him as yet.
If I can impose on you again I wonder if you could check if any of the following appear on your tree.
As Richard Bulcot who died 1757 mentions John Prichard in his will on several occasions I have been looking at him. I have found a marriage between a Mary Bowcot & John Prichard in Llandefailogfach on 7 May 1741 and I am thinking that maybe Mary Bowcot was Richard Bulcot's daughter. There is also a baptism record for a Thomas son of Richard Bulcot on 16 Jan 1717 in Llandefailogfach and a Joan daughter of Richard Bowcott 3 Jun 1733 in Llandefailogfach and a Richard son of Richard Bowcot on 6 Mar 1736 again in Llandefailogfach. There is also a marriage of a Richard Bowcott to Gwenllian Powell on 5 Nov 1732 in Llandefailogfach. Any information you can supply or confirm would be most helpful.
I was hoping to have been able to check the M.I's at Llandrindod for Merthyr Cynog & Llandefailogfach as quite often you can gain a lot of information from them but unfortunately they didn't have any.
best wishes
Mev
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oliviv
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Hello Mev
My apologis for not replying earlier and unfortunately I am unable to find any reference to a 'John Pritchard and Mary Bowcott on the family tree.
I have a copy of the M.I's for Llandefaelog but the only reference I can find (on the last line)
Lying loose in the Penoyre vault area =
John Bowcott and his wife Elizabeth. He died Feb. 6. 1795
I have checked the M.I's for John and Mary Pritchard but no luck
I also have the M I's for Merthyr Cynog church but I think I have already given the details namely - Richard Bowcott Late of Llwynrhydill died Mar. 13 1861 agd 69 years; Also Amelia relict died May 21. 1867 Aged 67
Thomas son of Richard Bowcott died Sept. 18. 1828 aged 2 months Also Howell died April 15 1836 aged 9 years and 5 months
Sorry for the lack of info
Best Wishes
Oliviv
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