Mev
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Hi Oliviv
Thank you for all your help. I am presuming then that my William Bowcott isn't recorded on either Merthyr Cynog or Llandefailog MI's. I will have to try searching Gwenddwr churchyard again although I didn't find a burial in the register for him. Would you be able to check for a John Jones born c1781 and died after 1851 census and his wife Margaret born c1780 died after 1851 census. John was a blacksmith at Tynewid? Merthyr Cynog and was my GGGG Grandfather.
Mev
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oliviv
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Hello again Mev
A bit more luck this time - There is a John Jones, Blacksmith aged 70 living At Tynewydd on the 1951 census for Merthyr Cynog Parish with his wife Margaret aged 71. Both were born in Llanfihangel Fechan and with them was their unmarried daughter Mary aged 28 also born in Llanfihangel Fechan (Lower Chapel). John and Margaret were still living there in 1861 (ages look like 80 and 79).
Guess what - at the next house about 300 yards away who is living there but Richard Bowcott aged 59 farmer of 18 acres who was born in Alltmawr with his wife Amelia aged 50 who was born in the Parish of Llywell (Brecs) with their grand daughter Joan aged 3 who was born in Lampeter Cards. This Richard and Amelia previously lived at Llwynrhydill the next farm towards Builth. I think I have already told you that they were buried at M.C. with dates. A bit more info to confuse things I see there is a Thomas Bowcott of Brynhilyn who died May 17 1833 aged 68 years buried at Ebenezer Chapel Upper Chapel.
An explanation about Tynewydd - (built circa 1840 - Tynewydd means 'New House') although it is in the Parish of Merthyr Cynog it is situated in the Upper Chapel area on the B4520 (Brecon / Builth Road) about 100 yards on the right after the B4519 branches off to the left.
It is in the Duffryn Honddu Upper Ward of Merthyr Cynog. It is now called Rose Cottage with a little bit of history, gossip and utter nonsense attached to it. The locals are convinced that Salmon Rushdie had his hideout in the cottage in the 1980's.
Something for you to mull over
Best Wishes
Oliviv
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Mev
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Hi Oliviv
Thank you for the info for 1861 census I had not found John on it but that was because it had been mistranscribed as Age 30. I had both John & Margaret as born in Llanfihangel Bryn Pabuan (I think 1851 census says Llanfihangel Pohn) and they were married there too 3 Jun 1803. Possibly they are buried there.
The Thomas Bowcott buried 1833 was the brother of my William (I have a copy of his will).
Where is Llandefailogfach? Is it close to Upper Chapel? There are a lot of Bowcotts in the PR's for Llanefailogfach. Does a Richard Bowcott in your tree marry a Gwenllian Powell in 1732 and have a daughter Joan in 1733 and a son Richard in 1736?
Mev
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oliviv
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Hello Again Mev
1st a geography lesson - Llandefaelog Fach is about 3 miles north of Brecon on the B4520 Road - on the same road as Upper Chapel. 2ndly The parish of Llanfihangel Fechan (known locally as Lower Chapel) was originally a part of the Parish of Llandefaelog Fach.
The copy of the 1851 census that I have clearly states that John Jones and his wife Margaret were born in Llanfihangel Fechan so I think Llanfihangel Brynpabuan is misleading. Tynewydd cottage was built on a field belonging to Richard Bowcott of Brynhillyn.
One of the Richard Bowcotts on the family tree(son of John) made a will in Dec. 1810 proven 22nd Feb.1812 mentions marriage settlement with first wife Mary Jones dated 30th June 1762 then Merthyr Cynog 8 December 1772 Richard Bowcott widower married Gwenllian Morgans - I can't see a Gwenllian Powell.
Best Wishes
Oliviv
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Mev
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Hi Oliviv
Thanks for the explanations it is most helpful.
I spent a day at Llandrindod looking at Merthyr Cynog & Llandefailogfach P.R's trying to find the correct ones for my tree but although I found plenty of Bowcotts and various other spellings very few matched my tree. It is probably easiest if I give you a list of all the records I did find if you could check to see if any are in your tree if you wouldn't mind.
best wishes
Mev
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oliviv
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Hello again
I am not promising anything but I am willing to give it a go
it may be less daunting if you start off with a selected list to begin with
Best Wishes
Oliviv
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Mev
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Hi Oliviv
Thank you so much. I have split the list and the following are all connected to a John Bowcott
Marriage 29 May 1823 John Bowcott Anne Jones Maesmynis PR says John Bowcott of Alltmawr. Wit by Thomas Bowcott
Baptism 22 Apr 1824 Jane d/o John Bowcott & Anne Alltmawr
Baptism 1 Feb 1826 Richard s/o John Bowcott & Anne Alltmawr
Baptism 16 Jan 1831 Mary d/o John Bowcott & Mary Alltmawr
Baptism 19 May 1833 Margaret d/o John Bowcott & Anne Alltmawr
Baptism 23 Aug 1837 John s/o John Bowcott & Anne Alltmawr
Baptism 28 Jun 1835 Eliza d/o John Bowcott & Anne Alltmawr
Baptism 23 Oct 1840 Thomas s/o John Bowcott & Anne Alltmawr
Baptism 6 Apr 1740 Benjamin s/o John Bowcot Llandefailogfach
Baptism 19 May 1743 Joan d/o John Bowcot Llandefailogfach
Baptism 10 Aug 1746 Elizabeth d/o John Bowcatt Llandefailogfach
Baptism 3 Apr 1748 Elizabeth d/o John Bowcot Llandefailogfach
Baptism 4 Feb 1749 Ann d/o John Bowcot Llandefailogfach
Burial 17 Apr 1749 Elizabeth d/o John Bowcott Llandefailogfach
Baptism 21 May 1749 John s/o John Bowcott Llandefailogfach
Baptism 18 Jul 1749 John s/o John Bowcot Llandefailogfach
Baptism 29 May 1763 John s/o John Bolcot Llandefailogfach
There is no further information on these entries in the Parish Register so any we can match up will be a bonus.
Thanks
Mev
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oliviv
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God's Truth what a list - I have lived in the Parish of Llandefaelog Fach since I retired from work and although I am interested in social history I have never heard of a Bowcott ever being mentioned or written about for this area - admittedly they are going back about 250 years.
I will now have a look at the Family Tree but I am not being very hopeful of having a result - perhaps one of these days I can go and have a look at the local Church Records
Best Wishes
Oliviv
PS My computer skills are not what they should be - are my messages fairly legible
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oliviv
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Hello Mev
There is no luck on the Llandefaelog Bowcots as I suspected so I am going to concentrate on John Bowcott but most probably you already have the information and I must emphasise that it is only my interpretation of the tree which is not very clear.
John Bowcott born 2nd. March 1794 @ Alltmawr son of Richard Bowott (1763 - 1836)(I have a list of John's siblings but am not going to mention them unless you want to know)
John Married 29 May 1823 Ann Jones of Maemynis.
On the tree is list which I have interpretated as being the source of information:-
1841 Census Alltmawr
1851 Cendsus Llangenny, Crickhowell
1861 Census ?
1871 Census Llanfihangel Ystern Lewern, Mon
1812 Mentioned in g.fathers will
1816 - do - father's will
1858 - do brother Thomas's will
Died June 1875 aged 83
Wife Died Dec 1879
John and Ann Issue seam to be:-
Jane Bapt. 22 Mar 1824 Alltmawr 1841 Census Altmawr (15)
Richard 1 Feb 1826 - do - (15)
Ann 5 Mar 1828 - do - (13)
Mary Bp. 16 Jan 1831 - do - (10) and 1851 Llangenny (20)
Margaret Bap 19 May 1833 - do - ( 1851 Llangenny (17)
All at Alltmawr
Margaret died June 1884 agee 48 - Monmouth
Source List with a No. which I don't understand may be age
There is a second group namely
Eliza Bap 28 June @ Alltmawr 1841 Census for Alltmawr (5)
1851 Llangenny (15)
John Bap 23 Aug 1837 Alltmawr 1841 Census Allmawr (3)
Thomas Bap. 23 Oct 1840 1841 Census 6 mths
1851 Census Llangenny (10) 1861 Census ?? Married by 1871 Census to Sarah 1871 Census Monmouth 28
(The tree then appears to give their issue but ask if you want info (Continuing with Thos - 1881 Census Monmouth (38)
1891 Census Mon. (48) Died a widower 23 Nov. 1912 @ The Warra, Raglan Mon
Catherine Bowcott born circa 1844\5 1851 Censu Llangenny (6)
William Bowcott born 20 Mar 1846 1851 Census Llangenny (5) 1871 Census Mon. (23) 1881 Census Mon (34) 1891 Census Mon (42)
I hope that this may be of some use
Best Wishes Oliviv
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Mev
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Hi Oliviv
Thank you for taking the time to look these up for me. I am wondering if maybe the Llandefailogfach Bowcotts are the descendants from the other Richard son of either William or John. I will fill in the info that you have given and then have another look through the list.
best wishes
Mev
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oliviv
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Hello Mev
Its me again - I noticed the following which may be of interest to you.
On the 5th November 1839 at Merthyr Cynog Church
Evan Jones, bachelor (Blacksmith) of Tynewydd, Upper Chapel, the son of John Jones, blacksmith married Jane Probert Spinster of Tymawr Upper Chapel the daughter of David Probert, Farmer.
Jane’s death is recorded on her father’s headstone at Ebenezer Chapel, Upper Chapel as follows:-
In Memory of David Probert of Tymawr in this Parish who died April 18 1854 also Jane wife of Evan Jones, Dowlais Ironworks who died Sept. 6th. 1849 aged 30 years.The headstones have been relocated for Health and Safety reasons but the above mentioned headstone was next to the one of Thomas Bowcott of Brynhilyn who died May 17 1833 aged 68 years
The 1851 Census for Tymawr has the following entries
Jane Probert Head Wid. aged 70 farmer of 80 acres
David Probert, son unmarried aged 40
Jane Jones, grand daughter aged 11 Scholar born Merthyr Cynog Parish
William Jones, Grandson aged 9 born Dowlais Ironworks
The Probert family are still living in the area. In fact my paternal aunt and a maternal aunt married two Proberts.
Hope you are keeping well
Best Wishes
Oliviv
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Mev
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Hi Oliviv
Thank you so much I will put the extra info in my tree. Oddly enough I was about to ask you if you had a David Thomas Bulcot/Bowcott in your tree. I think he died about 1780 as I spotted a will for him which says he was from Merthyr Cynog.
I have been a bit busy of late so haven't had chance to do any more on my research but will get around to it as soon as I can. I am hoping to have a trip down to Ebenezer Chapel in the next couple of weeks.
Hope you are enjoying the summer
best wishes
Mev
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oliviv
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Hello Mev
No info today. Hope you enjoy your trip to Ebenezer. It is a bit difficult to find but I can give you more precise information if you would like it. About 100 yards past the Chapel there is a car park.
It would be nice to meet as you will probably be driving past my front door but I don't know how to let you know where I live because I believe there are some regulations when using this website about giving personal details
Best Wishes
Oliviv
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Davies Family
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Hi Oliviv
I have joined Rootsweb this minute, after accidentally coming across your posting of March 2007. It refers to information found on a gravestone at Bethel Chapel, Llandefaelog, saying "to the memory of Selina wife of Thomas Davies, Tynwayn, the parish of Merthyr Cynog who died Feb 19th 1865 aged 32 years. Also in loving memory of the said Thomas Davies who died Oct 21st 1925 aged 95 years'
Yesterday I sent for the death certificate of the said Selina (her maiden name was Williams)
Wondering if you have a connection to this family, or answering a question for someone else.
Regards Genieflower
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Iago
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I have tonight seen your message to Oliviv - I have gone on to Broadband and have changed my email address and my new name is now Iago.
The information I gave in 2007 was in reply to an enquiry from "Davies family 1951" and I see it is still listed on RootsChat.
If you think I can give you any information please do not hesitate to ask.
Best Wishes
Iago
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