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ladybird
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I hope someone can help please 
I've been trying to make sense of this/these Elizabeth Burns.
I have 2...
1/ Elizabeth Burns (c1839) married Andrew Burns 7th May 1858 , Falkirk. (have the cert for this from scotlandspeople)
2/ Elizabeth Burns (c1839) married Robert Craig Burt (brother to Andrew)I have NOT been able to find this marriage on scotlandpeople despite a son's bith cert saying they were married 7th May 1858 Falkirk.
IGI has both of these marriages, Andrew's correct, but says Robert Craig Burt married Elizabeth Burns 2nd May 1858.
The only clue I have is that on the 1861 census Andrew's wife is down as Margaret MCL Burt?? So what happened to Elizabeth? I'm pretty sure this is the right family at Parish: Glasgow Gorbals; ED: 87; Line: 15; Year: 1861.
Oh dear, my head is going round in circles here 
Sylvia
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Sylvia
Let's start with one of the couples! What are the names of the parents for Andrew and Elizabeth for whom you have the 1858 MC?
Regards.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Sylvia
This is what I can see, firstly for Andrew Burt:
His marriage to Margaret on SP:
1856 BURT ANDREW and MCLUCKIE MARGARET @ TRADESTON GLASGOW CITY/LANARK Refs: 644/09 0043
Father Andrew Burt and mother Margaret Craig as per his entry on IGI.
1861 Census:
Andrew Burt 30, nail maker, b. Camelon, Stirlingshire
Margaret MCL Burt 24, wife, b. Kinnaird, Stirlingshire
Margaret Burt 4, b. Glasgow
Christina Burt 3, b. Glasgow
James Burt 22, nail maker, b. Camelon, Stirlingshire
Address: 66 Rutherglen Loan, Hutchesontown, Glasgow
The brother James also fits the James, son of Andrew and Margaret Craig on IGI.
Some of the children showing on IGI, probably down to the spelling variants of McLuckie:
1. CHRISTINA BURT Birth: 20 FEB 1858 High Church, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
2. ANDREW BURT irth: 28 OCT 1859 Hutchesontown, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
3. THOMAS BURT Birth: 05 MAY 1861 Hutchesontown, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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For Robert, as you have found, his marriage doesn't show at all on SP does it
This is the marriage entry on IGI that you referred to:
ROBERT BURT Marriages: Spouse: ELIZABETH BURNS
Marriage: 02 MAY 1858 Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland
Which then fits in with his 1861 Census entry:
Robert Burt 25, nailer, b. Falkirk
Elisabeth Burt 22, b. Falkirk
Janet Burt 2, b. Falkirk
Margaret Burt 6 Mo, b. Falkirk
Address: Sth Of Street, Falkirk Landward
Some of the children showing on IGI:
1. JANE MILLER BURT - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 20 DEC 1858 Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland
2. MARGARET BURT Birth: 25 AUG 1860 Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland
3. ANDREW BURT Birth: 01 NOV 1862 Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland
4. HELEN BURT Birth: 22 AUG 1864 Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland
Have you looked at the image of the MC on SP for an Andrew Burt and Elizabeth Burns in Falkirk 1858? Does it show the correct parents for Andrew/Robert?
Regards.
Monica 
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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ladybird
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Thank you Monica, a fresh pair of eyes definately helps. I couldn;t find the marriage of an Andrew to Maragret MCL.
This certainly makes a lot more sense as I was never able to find children for Andrew and Elizabeth
However the SP image I have definaletly gives Andrew and Elizabeth in 1858...I wonder if the minister got confused and put Andrew instead of Robert?
I have a similar problem with their sister too..this is a very confusing family
Sylvia
Image Removed by Copyright Editor. Only a small section of a certificate may be posted for identification purposes
Sorry Ed
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« Last Edit: Friday 20 April 07 08:50 BST (UK) by ladybird »
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Main names: Scotland (Travellers) - Townsend/Townsley Lanark and Stirling - Jeffrey. Northumberland/ Durham - Newton, Patrick, Nixon, Sharp. Warwickshire and London - Garfield. Ireland - Marah/Meara. Lancashire - Wilson other offshoots - Berry, Steven, Craig, Atkins, Fuller, McClure, Todd, McIntyre, Stewart, Conway, Buck, Heather, Winter, Letley, Beaumont Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Sylvia
This is unusual (did you say something similar also happened with their sister  )
Hard for the minister to get the name of the groom wrong Strange also that the entry for a marriage between Robert and Elizabeth that shows on IGI then doesn't show on SP...
Two suggestions:
Firstly, why don't you ask this question to Scotlands People (Why the entry for the Robert and Elizabeth on 2 May 1858 doesn't show?)
Also, and I don't know how practical this is, you have the refs on the IGI entry for Batch No/Dates/Source Call No etc. I don't know how close you are to a local LDS centre where you could possibly order the film and see what else is on this entry?
It certainly is a puzzle!
Regards.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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ladybird
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Thanks Monica
My last reply was a quick one before dashing off to work.
The LDS film check isn't an option sadly as I too far away to be practical.
Anyway I'll get back on to this when I get home...and maybe try and sort out the sister, Christian, too
Sylvia (in NZ)
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Main names: Scotland (Travellers) - Townsend/Townsley Lanark and Stirling - Jeffrey. Northumberland/ Durham - Newton, Patrick, Nixon, Sharp. Warwickshire and London - Garfield. Ireland - Marah/Meara. Lancashire - Wilson other offshoots - Berry, Steven, Craig, Atkins, Fuller, McClure, Todd, McIntyre, Stewart, Conway, Buck, Heather, Winter, Letley, Beaumont Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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moscan
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Not sure if this will help or cause more confusion:
Marriage of John Burt Nailer and Elizabeth Burt... both aged 23
took place 27th June 1856 (Third Cousins)
John Burt's parents listed as being Andrew Burt and Ellen Burt nee Rankine(deceased)
Elizabeth Burt's parents listed as being Andrew Burt Nailer deceased and Margaret Burt nee Craig (deceased)
Best wishes
Mo
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Locations: - March in Cambridgeshire, Banbury in Oxfordshire, Mileham in Norfolk, Worcester, Evesham, Claines in Worcestershire, Birmingham. Dublin, Cork, Fermanagh in Ireland. Glasgow, Stirling in Scotland
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MonicaLesl
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Mo, this family certainly liked to confuse their marriage lines  Sylvia, I look forward to hearing about Christian!
Regards.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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ladybird
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Thanks Mo...I'd forgotten about the fun I had with them
The Elizabeth Burt who married her 2nd cousin John Burt is also the daughter of Andrew and Margaret...and thereby lies another lovely little puzzle that took me ages to sort out.
Andrew and Margaret had a daughter Elizabeth born 1829...and another daughter Bettie Stevenson Burt born 1833,
It's actually the Bettie born 1833 who married her 2nd cousin John Burt. Meanwhile Elizabeth born 1829 married James Craig in 1865. confused yet??? And yes another Craig!!!
Christian Burt, the sister of Andrew and Robert, daughter of Andrew and Margaret... well what can I say..pretty much the same problem as Andrew and Roberts weddings.
SP PR marriage entry
2 24/10/1852 CRAIG JOHN BERRY ELIZABETH BIRD/FR3641 M FALKIRK 479/00 01
OPR states 24th Oct, John Berry Craig and Elizabeth Bird both of this parish.
1861 census
Sth side of street
John Craig, head, mar, 36, Iron moulder, Stirling Falkirk
Christina Craig, mar, 36, Stirling Falkirk
Margaret Craig, daur, 5, Stirling Falkirk
Camelon, Falkirk
1871 census,
Russel Street, Falkirk
John Craig, head, 49, Iron moulder, Falkirk
Christina Burt or Craig, wife, 46, Falkirk
Margaret Craig, daughter, 16, Out...worker? Falkirk.
John Craig, 5, Falkirk
Would you be surprised if I said I've given up looking for spouses for the rest of the family....enough to drive a body to drink! No wonder the vicar was getting confused with all the Burts, Craigs and Burns.
Sylvia ...somewhat muddleheaded
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Main names: Scotland (Travellers) - Townsend/Townsley Lanark and Stirling - Jeffrey. Northumberland/ Durham - Newton, Patrick, Nixon, Sharp. Warwickshire and London - Garfield. Ireland - Marah/Meara. Lancashire - Wilson other offshoots - Berry, Steven, Craig, Atkins, Fuller, McClure, Todd, McIntyre, Stewart, Conway, Buck, Heather, Winter, Letley, Beaumont Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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