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patrish
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I am trying to find two brothers Henry Briggs b 1822 and George b 1821 Barking Essex. According to Henry's marriage the father is William Briggs a Fisherman.
In 1841 HO107/323/4/53/7 there is one Henry the right age but with parents (I assume) Thomas and Susannnh aged 50 but there is no George. This couple appear also on the IGI. with other children.
Any help very much appreciated.
Patrish.
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this information is Crown Copyright. from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk London Hall, Thurston Stanley, Phillips, Ayrton, White, Morrish, Smith. West Ham/Barking Saint,Briggs, Essex Barker, Hampshire Kill, Kent Spong, U.S.A Earp, Scotland/Cumbria Templeton, Devon Morrish, Chudley |
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Hi Patrish,
There is also this Henry transcribed as BRIG, image looks like BRIGGS,
1841 HO107/323/1 f.36 p.18 Barking
High Street
Henry BRIGGS 19 Baker J Y
Living in the household of Jno BROWN.
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Daisy
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Thanks so much Daisypetal 
Thats definately him, he was a Baker, shame he is not with any other family members 
Patrish.
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this information is Crown Copyright. from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk London Hall, Thurston Stanley, Phillips, Ayrton, White, Morrish, Smith. West Ham/Barking Saint,Briggs, Essex Barker, Hampshire Kill, Kent Spong, U.S.A Earp, Scotland/Cumbria Templeton, Devon Morrish, Chudley |
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Daisypetal
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You may already have these but just in case,
1851 HO107/1772 f.487 p.35 Barking
Axe St.
William BRIGGS Head mar 59 Fisherman
Ether " " Wife mar 57
Joseph " " Son U 17 Blacksmith All dittoed as Essex Barking
1841 HO107/323/1 f.43 p.33 Barking
Axe St.
Esther BRIGGS 40 *do do N
Mary " 20 F.S. Y
Eliza " 15 " Y
Joseph " 8 Y
* this is dittoed from above as Fishermans wife then crossed out later with a different pen, looking again all "fishermans wife' occupations have been crossed out.
This is the only William BRIGGS of the right sort of age and a fisherman I could find in the area, unfortunately neither Henry are George are with the family, but I can't find George anywhere, do you have him on a later census?
If not the direct family they may be related 
Daisy
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WOW what a find, your amazing I had not got either of these, it must be Henry's family. His father could be out at sea on the 41 quite possibly 
Now regards George, I am not sure if he is Henry's brother, Henry died in 1859 and his daughter Emma b 1853 is not with her widowed mother in 61 down a Greggs not Briggs RG9/1057/77/18 but there is an Emma the right age living in Bethnal Green down as a niece with a George Briggs and family RG9/267/108/10. I could not find another Emma that fitted the criteria
The marriage cert of Henry & Emma Barker has witnesses George Briggs and Sarah Barker which I assume are brother and sister but on the 61 George's birth is down as Bethnal Green but we know how wrong they can be.
Got George in 51 HO107/1542/395/26 but cant find a marriage for them, that would tell me if in fact they were brothers.
this is a never ending saga ::)Here is the link to my original thread which explains all http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,223171.0.html
Thanks so much for helping me, please continue to do so, I need all the help I can get 
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this information is Crown Copyright. from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk London Hall, Thurston Stanley, Phillips, Ayrton, White, Morrish, Smith. West Ham/Barking Saint,Briggs, Essex Barker, Hampshire Kill, Kent Spong, U.S.A Earp, Scotland/Cumbria Templeton, Devon Morrish, Chudley |
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What a tangled web on your other thread I think I'll wait until tomorrow with fresh eyes to try and work them out
I see in 1851 George has a 1 year old daughter, Selva. This might be her birth registration, at Ancestry it's indexed as Silbear but I think the image looks like Silvear,
Silbear/Silvear BRIGGS Jun Q 1850 Bethnal Gr. v.2 p.65
This would give you Selva/Silva/Sylvia Snr's maiden name which may help find her marriage to George BRIGGS.
Daisy
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I dont blame you and I quite agree,  its mind blowing isent it  But it does help if you know the full picture, beginning to wish I had never started on this lot. Yes I found the birth of little Silvear, it is a possiblity if I cant find anything else to help me.
Many many thanks once again.
A forever grateful Patrish. 
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Found the marriage of William Briggs and Esther Turner on IGI 3.10.1814 Barking but can find no baptisms of any of the known children 
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This website may be a help to you, it says that Barking is not covered by the IGI, maybe they can find the missing baptisms
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01gz/
and although I can find Barking(Independent Or Congregational) 1804 - 1836, at the Hugh Wallis IGI Batch numbers site here, no Briggs come up
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01h0/
Off to look at the other post
Daisy
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Thanks for those links, looks like I had better concentrate on going forwards now as I cannot get to the necessary studies centre to search the parish records.
What I realy need to find is my Emma Briggs B 1853 on the 81 census as I am sure this is the clue to who William and Harrys father is
thanks again Patrish.
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I have contacted them to see if the can help with the baptisms of William and Esther children, fingers crossed.
Thank you Daisypetal.
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Received this to day.
1814 November 3rd
BRIGGS William & TURNER Esther
Plus these baptisms of William and Esther/Hester (in alphabetical order
of child):
Eliza 1826 October 29th
Esther 1816 February 11th
George 1829 March 22nd
Henry 1822 March 17th
Joseph 1834 January 22nd
Mary Anne 1820 January 9th
Robert 1824 March 20th
William 1818 March 1st
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this information is Crown Copyright. from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk London Hall, Thurston Stanley, Phillips, Ayrton, White, Morrish, Smith. West Ham/Barking Saint,Briggs, Essex Barker, Hampshire Kill, Kent Spong, U.S.A Earp, Scotland/Cumbria Templeton, Devon Morrish, Chudley |
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I should have mentioned they have an online enquiry form, in the Local Studies section