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isaac bickerstaff
« on: Wednesday 25 April 07 22:24 BST (UK) »


i have a couple isaac and Harriet Bickerstaff  trying to find her maiden name she was born about 1849. they lived in west bromwich. i have them on the IGI list but all it says for her is Harriet Louisa i take it that Louisa is not her maiden name She died in 1899
       hope you can help
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Re: isaac bickerstaff
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 25 April 07 22:28 BST (UK) »

Working from census, estimate when & where they were married, and compare freebmd marriage entries for him to come up with candiate surnames for Harriet, based on transcribed spouses.

What census(es) can you give us for starters?

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« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 25 April 07 22:41 BST (UK) »

their oldest child was b 1867 florence ann
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« Reply #3 on: Thursday 26 April 07 09:16 BST (UK) »
OK, but it's really best to give the WHOLE family/household, with FULL details  for each census.

What census info can you give us? (with refs for completeness)

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Re: isaac bickerstaff
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 26 April 07 14:20 BST (UK) »
hi Pauline
  thanks for your trouble here is what i have--
in 51 he is with parents House Hold--
Thomas age 45 (1806)
Ann age 47 (1804)
Thomas age 18 (1833)
William age 16 (1835)
Isaac age 14 (1837)
Ann M age 12 (1839
David age 4 (1847)

Folio 904 page 11 GSU Roll 332119-332121


in61 he is a visitor civil parish Aston
House hold
Isaac age 24
Ann Rebecca Cash 10 month
Mary Jane cash 3
Sarah cash 33 william 32
William Thos Sam Cash 5
Folio 13 page 25 GSU Roll 542932

in 71 he is Head wife Harriet
Civil parish birmingham
household
Florence 4
Harriet 23
Isaac 32
Marion 1 month
George Botley 47 lodger
Folio 77 page 18 GSU Roll 839578

in 81 head aged 39 civil parish Aston
household
Florence 15
Harriet 34
Henry 5
Herbert 8
Isaac 39
Mary J 2
Minnie 13
Folio 34 Page 8 GSU Roll 1341720


in 91 Head Civil parish Aston
house hold
Charles 7
Harriet 42
Henry w 14
Herbert 16
Isaac 48
John T 2
mary J 12
Minnie 22
Folio 54 page 15 GSU Roll 6097522

cant find him in 1901
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Re: isaac bickerstaff
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 01 May 07 18:03 BST (UK) »
Quote from: marhat on Thursday 26 April 07 14:20 BST (UK)
cant find him in 1901 

Hello marhat

This might be why......

Possible Death Registrations

1894 Aston AMJ quarter 6d 172

Isaac Bickerstaff (Aged 51)

1897 Aston JFM quarter 6d 175

Henry William Bickerstaff (Aged 20)

1899 Kings N. OND quarter 6c 254

Harriet L Bickerstaff (Aged 52)

All the remaining members of the family appear on the 1901 census. Please let me know if you have not got them already and I will provide the details.

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Re: isaac bickerstaff
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 01 May 07 19:50 BST (UK) »
Quote from: marhat on Wednesday 25 April 07 22:24 BST (UK)
Harriet Bickerstaff  trying to find her maiden name she was born about 1849. IGI list ... says ...Harriet Louisa

marhat

Have you considered this.......?

In 1848/49 there were only two births registered in Birmingham for anyone called Harriet Louisa.

There was a Harriet Louisa Mills and a Harriet Louisa PERIAM

This looks like the birth registration for one of the sons of Isaac and Harriet Bickerstaff

1883 Birmingham AMJ quarter 6d 119

Charles PERIAM Bickerstaff

What do you think ?

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Re: isaac bickerstaff
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 01 May 07 20:34 BST (UK) »
The census info you give implies he probably married between 1861 and 71
However, I have just been through full marriage indexes for those years and no sign of a marriage for Isaac Bickerstaff.

I reckon your next move will have to be to get one of the children's birth certs.
For example Marion Rebecca, Jan/Feb/Mar 1871, Birmingham area, ref 6d 131
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« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 02 May 07 00:20 BST (UK) »
lizdb
       is it possable that they never married and just lived together like common law partners of today.



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    thanks that has helped a lot, we have the son charles p bickerstaff but didnt know what the middle letter stood for
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« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 02 May 07 00:22 BST (UK) »

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    no i dont have them in 1901  and yes i would like the list
                        thanks
                             mary
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Re: isaac bickerstaff
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 02 May 07 01:28 BST (UK) »
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Solihull RG13/2923 Folio 124 Page 16

Charles H Saunders Head M 40 Brass Founders Traveller Worcestershire Pershore
Florence A do Wife M 34 Warwickshire Birmingham
Harry W do Son S 13 Warwickshire Birmingham
Eve F do Daur S 9 Worcestershire Sparkhill
Leslie J do Son S 7 Worcestershire Sparkhill
Charles G do Son S 5 Worcestershire Sparkhill
John T Bickerstaff Brother in Law S 12 Warwickshire Birmingham

2 Beach Road, Yardley

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« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 02 May 07 01:31 BST (UK) »
 


Probable Marriage Registration

1887 Aston JFM quarter 6d 32

Florence Ann Bickerstaff
Charles Henry Saunders

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« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 02 May 07 01:32 BST (UK) »
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Kings Norton RG13/2806 Folio 114 Page 29

Joseph B Evans Head M 36 Metal Roller Warwickshire Birmingham
Minnie E do Wife M 32 Warwickshire Birmingham
Albert J do Son S 7 Warwickshire Birmingham
Charles P Bickerstaff Wife's Bro. S 18 Labourer Warwickshire Birmingham
Herbert J do Wife’s Bro. S 26 Debt Collector Warwickshire Birmingham

237 Station Road, Kings Norton

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Probable Marriage Registration

1892 Aston AMJ quarter 6d 435

Minnie Eliza Bickerstaff
Joseph Brazier Evans

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1901

Kings Norton RG13/2806 Folio 115 Page 31

Charles H Hodgett Head M 27 Steel Shell Turner Worcestershire Kings Norton
Mary J do Wife M 21 Warwickshire Birmingham
Charles H do Son S 8mo Worcestershire Kings Norton

264 Grange Road, Kings Norton

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