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janan
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Hi
Don't know if anyone can help with this one - it isn't a very specific look-up, just a hope of some sightings of these people  This is what I have so far
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1744 CARVER Sam Thos of Southill Beds to Edw Watts of Hitchin Whlw £12
Samuel CARVER (Wheelwright) married Mary PRYOR at Hitchin St. Mary on 15 April 1759.
CARVER John, Thomas, Elizabeth and Mary baptised Hitchin St Mary 25 Mar 1768 children of Samuel and Mary
Given Samuel's occupation and Bedfordshire origin I am trying to tie them in with my Wrestlingworth wheelwright Carvers - so need to establish what happened to them all. If anyone can spot burials, marriages, anything that would be fantastic
Cheers Jan 
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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janan
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Hi
Just nudging this back up the board. I've got nowhere with this one. No marriages showing on the IGI in Herts for the children - how well extracted is Hertfordshire?
I did notice this marriage which could be a first one for Samuel
Ippollitts 10 Oct 1754 Samuel Carver to Margaret Walker
but as the NBI doesn't start till 1800 I'm unlikely to find a burial for her 
Oh well
Jan
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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janan
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Hi Peter
That is really helpful, thank you. From the occupation and place of residence it does look highly likely that the two Samuel's are one and the same. Margaret's burial date adds weight. I wonder if she and Samuel had any children?
Does the Allen index only cover the period 1604-1759? Just wondering about marriages for the children of Samuel and Mary.
As there are no burials in Herts 1800-1851, Samuel and family (at least the boys and Mary unless she remarried) must have died before this date or moved out of county - nothing showing in Beds though.
Thanks again
Regards
Jan
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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janan
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Thanks for that Peter - it does look as if the family may well have moved or all died without marrying pre 1800. Certainly by 1841 there are no Carvers in Hertfordshire. In 1851 however there is a John Carver born Hertford c1805 living in St Pancras with wife Amelia born Maidstone - I have a feeling he could be linked. No baptism or marriage showing on the IGI of course 
To make things more complicated this family does have non-conformist tendancies - the Southill Carvers were strong Baptists - this wouldn't account for no marriages though.
Does anyone reading this have access to burial records for Hitchin 1768-1800? Any Carvers buried in that time frame would be very helpful. Also I wonder if there was any extra info on this mass baptism?
CARVER John, Thomas, Elizabeth and Mary baptised Hitchin St Mary 25 Mar 1768 children of Samuel and Mary
Thanks again
Jan
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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janan
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Thank you so much Peter. Although much remains a mystery at least I now know Samuel must have died before Dec 1777 and that from his birthdate John is unlikely to be mine.
Cheers Jan
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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Hi Peter
If you have the time at some point could you possibly check the Allen Index and Hitchin burials again using the variants Calver, Carvel(l), Carvil(l) and Carvile please?
Thank you in anticipation
Regards
Jan
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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janan
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Thanks for looking Peter
Jan
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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Hi Chris
Given the use of Dansey as a middle-name I would take this as the right marriage- but looking on the 1861 census the only match for Frederick's wife is Kate Cracknell born Ludlow  So what is going on? Is this one and the same person? I would say more burrowing needed
Jan
In 1861 there is a Kate Dansey born Gloucestershire c1836 living in Westminster who could be the one Fred married in Herts. The marriage to Kate Cracknell same qtr 1863 is in St George Hanover Sq. Now I would say you have two different Fred C Carvers here as there do appear to be two different Kates. But your Fred is definitely married to Kate Cracknell from Ludlow in 1871 and has a child with middlename Dansey born Royston My head has now exploded 
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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