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Makayla77
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Very confused!! Almost identical families!?
« on: Thursday 26 April 07 19:25 UTC (UK) »

Hi all!

Im wondering whether SKS could help me work out the mess i have found myself in!
Here are the details i have collected thus far:

Enoch Bailey b) Abt 1897 married Mary Bradford 5th July 1915

Enochs parents are:

Isaac Bailey and Eliza Buttery m)1896
(am awaiting the marriage Cert!)

Isaac Bailey b) Abt 1865 in Dawley Shropshire

Parents of Isaac unknown until arrival of certificate.

Eliza Buttery b) abt 1866 Dawley, Shropshire

Parents George and Emily Buttery.

I have the 1901 census with family as follows:

RG 13/3139 p45

Isaac Head of household
Eliza Wife
and also Herbert Buttery (Eliza's brother) living in same household.

I have gone back on the census' and found Eliza and Herberts parents on the 1891 census (RG12/2653 p62) and also on the 1881 (Rg11/3316 p69). Eliza is not living at home on this census, on the 1891 census her occupation is listed general servant so presumably she was away from home working.
When i have searched for her i have found many Eliza Buttery's born around the same time and working as servants!!
There are also so many George Buttery's on the 1871 census that i cannot seem to work out which one is mine!

I do hope someone has understood this rabble and can offer some help!

Kind Regards

makayla.


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Douglas and Ellis: Yorkshire
Craggs: Durham/yorkshire
Bailey:Yorkshire/notts/shropshire
Clavering: Durham
Bradford: Yorkshire
Buttery: Shropshire/notts
Robinson: Durham
Golightly: Durham

Steele: Yorkshire
Atkinson: Yorkshire
Paskin: Yorkshire
Yarrow: Yorkshire

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Re: Very confused!! Almost identical families!?
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 26 April 07 19:46 UTC (UK) »

Hi Makayla,

Perhaps a red herring but have a look at RG10/2750 12 18 in 1871.

Dawley, Shropshire
Dawley Green Lane
Emily Lomas, head, 24, unm, 24, Pit Girl, b. Dawley
George, son, 1, b. do.

2 households away:
Hannah Lomas, wid, 55, b. Wellington
Thomas, son, 22
John, son, 17
Sarah, dau, 11
Eliza, dau, 4
William, son, 3

The little ones somehow seem too young to be Hannah's children ...
(and indeed, going back to 1861, Emily is Hannah's daughter)

There's a possible marriage:
Dec 1871 Wellington, Sh. 6a 1548
George Buttery to possibly Emily Lomas

The most likely George seems to be at RG10/2750 27 48


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Makayla77
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Re: Very confused!! Almost identical families!?
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 26 April 07 19:53 UTC (UK) »

You are a star!!!

This was a thought of mine as i had found George Buttery living at home in 1871 and he was unmarried. I thought it strange that the children would be so old and he be unmarried.

the george i have found is on RG10/2750 p48 (and pg47 which ancestry did not include when i used a credit to view the page!!)

Thankyou so much for sorting that out! that side of it does seem to fit together now!!

Thankyou!

Makayla.


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Re: Very confused!! Almost identical families!?
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 26 April 07 20:04 UTC (UK) »

You'd need to prove the theory by ordering the birth cert for one of the Buttery children born after the marriage to see if the mother's maiden name is given as Lomas ... Emily's father was called Reuben by the way. Would you like the 1861 details? Also, give me a shout if you need the full household for George in 1871.


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Makayla77
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Re: Very confused!! Almost identical families!?
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 26 April 07 20:16 UTC (UK) »

Wow! Thanks for all of that! George and Emily had a son called Reuben so maybe they named him after her father!
Id love the 1861 details and the full household for 1871 would be great too!

Thankyou again!

Makayla.


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Re: Very confused!! Almost identical families!?
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 26 April 07 20:25 UTC (UK) »

1871
RG10/2750 27 47 & 48
Dawley, Shropshire
Rough Ground
George Buttery, head, 55, Stone Miner, b. Wellington
Eliza, wife, 54, b. Dawley
George, son, 25, Coal Miner
William, son, 21, Coal Miner
Edward, son, 20, Coal Miner
Ellen, dau, 15, Home Domestic
Herbert, grandson, 3, scholar

All children unmarried and born Dawley


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Re: Very confused!! Almost identical families!?
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 26 April 07 20:31 UTC (UK) »

1861
RG9/1855 90 47
Dawley, Shropshire
Bush Fold
Reuben Lomas, head, 49, Iron Stone Miner, b. Wellington
Hannah, wife, 45, b. do.
James, son, 18, Coal Miner, b. Dawley (as all others)
Emily, day, 14, Worker on Pit Bank
Thomas, son, 12, Blacksmith
Susanna, dau, 8, scholar
John H, son, 6, scholar
Louisa, dau, 5, scholar
Sarah, dau, 1, scholar


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Re: Very confused!! Almost identical families!?
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 26 April 07 20:38 UTC (UK) »

That is wonderful! Thankyou for the time you have spent on this and also for the information which you have provided me!

Brilliant!

Regards

Makayla.


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Re: Very confused!! Almost identical families!?
« Reply #8 on: Friday 27 April 07 08:43 UTC (UK) »

I know we haven't proven yet they are yours but let's trace them back a little:

1861
RG9/1855 93 53
Dawley, Shropshire
Rough Ground
George Buttrey, head, 44, Coal Miner, b. Wellington
Eliza, wife, 42, b. Dawley
Julia F, dau, 14, b. Wellington
George, son, 16, Coal Miner, b. do.
William, son, 11, Coal Miner, b. do.
Edwin, son, 10, Coal Miner, b. do.
Louisa, dau, 7, scholar, b. do.
Ellen, dau, 5, scholar, b. do.

1851
HO107/1997 362 1 & 2
Wellington, Shropshire
Lawley Common
George Buttery, head, 34, Stone Miner, b. Dawley
Eliza, wife, 33, b. Wellington
George, son, 6 (no birthplace given)
Julia, dau, 4 (no birthplace given)
William, son, 1, b. Wellington
Edwin, son, 7 mo, b. do.

For the record - just next door:
William Buttery, head, 54, Stone Miner, b. Wellington
Ann, wife, 55, b. Dawley
William, son, 18?, b. Wellington
Martha, dau, 16, b. do.
Rebecca, dau, 14, b. do.

1841 - possibly:
HO107/907/4 38 28
Wellington, Shropshire
William Buttery, 40, Miner
Ann, 44
George, 20, Miner
Jane, 16
Richard, 14
Ellen, 12
William, 9
Mathew, 7
Rebecca, 4

All born in county.

George's age is a bit out given the other ages don't seem to have been rounded down Undecided


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"My dear, I think the English pronounce it 'appiness"

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Makayla77
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Re: Very confused!! Almost identical families!?
« Reply #9 on: Friday 27 April 07 09:53 UTC (UK) »

thank you!!! i have been lookin and trying to trace it back also.i have found a 1841 census on ancestry which lists eliza lomas aged 1 living in dawley shropshire with a 4 yrs old thomas lomas!!!!!!. i dont understand how they can be living on their own.

regards

makayla


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Re: Very confused!! Almost identical families!?
« Reply #10 on: Friday 27 April 07 10:02 UTC (UK) »

The 1841 census indexing is a little odd sometimes Grin

1851
HO107/1988 112 10
Great Dawley, Shropshire
Egertons Fold
Reuben Lomas, head, 39, Coal Miner, b. Wellington
Hannah, wife, 35, b. do.
Eliza, dau, 11, b. Dawley
James, son, 8, scholar, b. do.
Emmily, dau, 4, scholar, b. do.
Thomas, son, 2, b. do.

1841
HO107/904/7 9 8 & 9
Dawley Magna, Shropshire
Queen? St
Thomas Lomas, 55, Miner
Sarah Lomas, 48
Reuben Lomas, 30, Miner
James Round, 21, Miner
Thomas Lomas, 4
Eliza Lomas, 1

All born in county


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Makayla77
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Re: Very confused!! Almost identical families!?
« Reply #11 on: Friday 27 April 07 10:11 UTC (UK) »

wow how good are you !!!! thank you


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Re: Very confused!! Almost identical families!?
« Reply #12 on: Friday 27 April 07 10:12 UTC (UK) »

Not sure where Hannah was but it seems Reubin was already married to her (marriage in 1836 is on the IGI - she was Hannah Bailey!!). There's also a christening for Reubin to Thomas and Susannah... go and have a look Cheesy


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"My dear, I think the English pronounce it 'appiness"

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Makayla77
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Re: Very confused!! Almost identical families!?
« Reply #13 on: Friday 27 April 07 10:16 UTC (UK) »

thanks again what a coincidence .

regards
makayla


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Makayla77
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Re: Very confused!! Almost identical families!?
« Reply #14 on: Monday 22 June 09 10:05 UTC (UK) »

UPDATE!!

I am almost certain that the families mentioned on this thread are mine BUT on Eliza's marriage cert to Isaac Bailey she says that George, her father, is an Innkeeper, not a coal miner! She defintely has a brother called Herbert Buttery (he is boarding with them in 1901) and the only family with both a Herbert and Eliza as children is the George and Emily family!! Huh

Wits on marriage are William Buttery and Mary Ann Buttery. Any help most appreciated!

Makayla.


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