golfer
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born 1797 died 17 june 1860. clerk (coal weigher) for clackmannan coal company. parents thomas hall and jane malcolm. looking for wife margaret's family name and more info on their children. son robert bruce (master mariner) relocated to durham, england; son francis possibly relocated to canada from salsburgh lanarkshire; son john probably continued to remain in clackmannan.
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Hannah29
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In the OPRs for Clackmannan there are 3 marriages for John Halls whose wives' forenames were Margaret. They are:
1. John Hall and Margaret McArthur. The entry says 'John Hall private in the Stirlingshire Militia and Margaret McArthur here proclaimed and married. 18 February 1808.'
2. John Hall and Margaret McNaughton both here proclaimed and married. 26 March 1820'
3. John Hall and Margaret McDiarmid both here proclaimed 24 October 1824.'
A Francis Hall was baptised on 24 February 1824. The entry says ' John Hall s maker and Margaret McArthure had a lawful son B Francis'. I'd guess 's maker' is shoe maker.
For Robert, the entry says ' John Hall and Margaret McArthur had a lawful son baptised Robert'. That was on 18 October 1826.
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Hannah29
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No sign of a John in the index.
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golfer
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Hannah. Thank you very much for your efforts. I am finding so many John, Margaret and Francis Halls in and around Clackmannan. I don't think your three Margaret's are connected. Frustrating. The 1841 Clackmannan census identifies parents John and Margaret Hall, children Francis (b. 1829) and Robert Bruce (b. 1833). My gggrandfather Francis Hall was born 1829 Clackmannan and his Canadian death registration named his father as John. I suspect Margaret's family name is Thomson b. abt 1795 but cannot verify this. Unfortunately neither Francis' or John's death certificates names a mother or wife. Informant on John's death certicate was a son named John. Cheers, Golfer.
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runningbear
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hi pal,
1841 census- town of clackmannan
john...age 43...coal weigher
margaret...age 46
francis...age 12
robert b...age 8
1851 census- high street, clackmannan
john...age 53...coal weigher
margaret...age 56...born kinnoul, perth
1851 census- 18 salsburgh, shotts (lodging with thomas marshall)
francis...age 21...shoe-maker
1861 census- 24 high street, clackmannan
margaret...age 63...pauper...born dunning perth
wonder who registered her death in 1868 clackmannan?
robert married sarah hood 3rd quarter 1859 sunderland
1861 census- 26 laurence street, bishop wearmouth
robert...age 28...miner
sarah...age 27
1871 census- canada
francis....shoe-maker
1871 census- bishop wearmouth
sarah...age 38...mariner's wife
mary j...age 9
john j...age 8
margaret a...age 5
catherine patterson...visitor...age 42
john patterson...visitor...age 10
1881 census- 8 bramwell street, bishop wearmouth
robert...age 48...master mariner
sarah...age 48
mary...age 19
margaret...age 15
john patterson...nephew...age 20...joiner's apprentice
looks like your robert died 1884 aged 52
1891 census- 8 bramwell st, bishop wearmouth
sarah...age 57...widow
mary...age 29
margaret...age 25
1901 census- jackson street, bishop wearmouth
sarah...age 68
mary...age 38
margaret...age 34
winifred...daughter-in-law...age 20...born sandhurst kent
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Thanx Joe. Questions: Is 1851 census Margaret(Kinnoul) and the 1861 Margaret (Dunning) the same person? Where did you find her death of 1868? Do you know her maiden name? Where did you find Robert's death of 1884? Hope I'm not asking too much. Cheers, Ray.
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Hi Pat. I wish your info on Mgt Hall's (McNaughton) death 1868 and marriage to John Hall 1820 was indeed MY John and Margaret. However, verification is still lacking. As you can attest to through your own research there are many John and Margaret Hall's and Francis Hall's in and about Clackmannan. Just the fact that Thomas Hall/Jean Malcom had 3 sons (Thomas, James, John) who have all been put forward as my Francis Hall's father has made my research very frustrating. Francis' death in Canada identifies his father's name as JOHN and the 1841 Clackmannan census lists him in John/Margaret's household (b. 1829). Yet another Francis (b. abt 1829) appears in Christian Hall's (Moir) household in the 1841 Tillicoultry census and still another recording has him c. 16 Oct 1830 to parents James Hall/Christian Moir. Whew! I believe but w/o verification that Francis Hall's father is John Hall b. 1797 and his mother is Margaret Thomson b. 1795 Kinnoul, Perth. As to your claim that Thomas Hall/Christian Moir had two separate sons named Edward is still open for debate. I feel that there was only one son BORN 22 Jun 1823 and that his CHRISTENING date occurred later (5 Feb 1828). Cheers, Golfer.
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