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« on: Saturday 28 April 07 23:17 BST (UK) »


  can somebody find the parents of Ada Winter she was born in 1880,  in 1915 she married Alfred Hathaway on the wedding cert it gives her father as John, But i dont know where she was from. They lived in Birmingham after their marrage.
     i hope some one can help
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Re: ada winter
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 29 April 07 00:16 BST (UK) »
Hi Marhat

What was her father's occupation on the wedding cert? And the witness' names?
She was abt 35 when she married Alfred - was she previously married ?

What were their children's names and DOB's  - and have you found them all registered born as Hathaway? Thinking she may have come to the marriage with children from a prior marriage/relationship??

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Re: ada winter
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 29 April 07 08:31 BST (UK) »
Hi there

this could a possible candidate:

1881 census ref RG11/0110  folio 87 p.38
address: Horseferry Rd Census Place London, Middlesex, England
 
   
John WINTER, Head, 28, Iron Moulder   b.Kent
Emma WINTER, Wife, 27,     b.  Pimlico, Middlesex     
Matilda WINTER, Dau, 6, scholar,  b. Westminster, Middlesex,   
Lizzie WINTER, Dau, 4,    b. Westminster, Middlesex, England       
Walter WINTER, Son, 2,   b. Westminster, Middlesex, England       
Ada WINTER, Dau, 1,    b.Westminster, Middlesex, England     

perhaps?

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« Reply #3 on: Sunday 29 April 07 14:25 BST (UK) »


  thanks on the marriage cert it has her father as John Winter  and Profession says Painter Or Printer I cant make out.
she was 35 and a spinster alfred is down as a bachelor but we know that he was married before. cant find the death of first wife so maybe a divorce? the children were all Hathaway as one was my husbands father he was born in 1910. the children were
Alfred b1907
Leonard b 1910
Amy b1912
Gertrude b1913
Gladys b1914
George b1915
then they got married in 1915
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Re: ada winter
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 29 April 07 15:06 BST (UK) »
Another possible and Fathers occupation is Painter
1891 Camberwell London
RG12 Piece 468 Folio 83 Page 29
John Winter,Head,32,House Painter,Hastings,Sussex
Emma S Winter,Wife,35,Hastings,Sussex
Ada Winter,Dau,9,Battersea London
Lilian Winter,Dau,8,Battersea,London
May Winter,Dau,5,Battersea,London
Daisy Winter,Dau,3,Battersea,London
Rose Winter,Dau,8m,Peckham,London

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Re: ada winter
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 29 April 07 17:01 BST (UK) »


i dont know which one is the right one, none of the brothers and sisters names fit with family names, could the last two postings be the same family with 10 years apart
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Re: ada winter
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 29 April 07 17:59 BST (UK) »
mmmm...

on FreeBMD it states Getrude (b.1913) mother surname as Winter.   was Alfred
married to an older sister of Ada or is Gertrude dau of Alfred and Ada?

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« Reply #7 on: Sunday 29 April 07 18:13 BST (UK) »
........perhaps Alfred wasn't married before and all children could be Alfred's and Ada's?  It's a strong possibility.


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Re: ada winter
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 29 April 07 18:29 BST (UK) »
also,  does it state on the wedding cert if Ada's father is 'deceased'?   
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Re: ada winter
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 29 April 07 20:29 BST (UK) »
Also......what were the names of the witness' on that marriage of Alfred & Ada?
This can sometimes be an important clue.

So, Alfred Hathaway......

Was he 10 years younger than Ada?

Was he with his parents  in 1891 as a 1 yr old, in 1901 as a 12 year old,  (and with brothers you name as Harold & Victor), making him born abt 1890?  Is that right  - as per unconfirmed Census results on older postings (below) and if so does this match his age on marriage  to Ada?

Feb 2007: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,215872.0.html
Feb 2007: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,216279.0.html
March 2007: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,220990.0.html

So if he was born 1890 ish: obviously he didn't  marry first to Elizabeth CANT in 1891 and have 2 children by her  as you had proposed earlier this month
Apr 2007: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,225443.0.html
(which I can't understand, if you  did already know  Alfred was still in nappies in 1891??? )

If Alfred was born 1889/1890, he would have just  been legal age to marry in 1905/1906 and would have needed parental consent to do so....  Add you say he was a) previously married and  then b) producing children with Ada  - by 1907?

How do you know he was previously married?

I assume you do have Leonard's birth certificate stating Ada and ALfred as the parents.  But have you actually gotten the birth certificates of the first of  "Hathaway" children Alfred b 1907?? And the others up to 1915?

I think perhaps these issues need to be clarified or answered first before we start confidently looking for an Ada WINTER?

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« Reply #10 on: Sunday 29 April 07 22:57 BST (UK) »


to make things clearer the Alfred that married Ada Winters was born in 1871 as the cert says that he was 44 when he got married. the alfred  you are speaking about is the one we thought at first but when we got the marrage cert it says that he was 44, so born in 1871. As it turns out both Alfreds fathers were called George. the Alfred born in 1890 was the Nephew of our alfred.
    The witneses at the wedding in 1915 were William Hathaway and his wife Hope Elizabeth Hathaway william was Alfreds brother
     on Leonards birth cert it states that parents are Alfred Hathaway and Ada hathaway formaly Winters
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« Reply #11 on: Sunday 29 April 07 23:05 BST (UK) »
hi Grlune
       yes the wedding cert says that Alfreds father is deceased
Alfred was married to a Elizabeth Annie Cant they were married in june 1891. yes all the Children i mentioned were Alfreds and Adas.
Gertrude was Alfred and Adas daughter, Ada must have used her maiden name when registering the birth
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Re: ada winter
« Reply #12 on: Monday 30 April 07 09:02 BST (UK) »
....but they didn't marry until 1915. If you are sure all the children listed are Alfred's and Ada's my feeling is  they were living as man and wife even before they married and that Alfred possibly wasn't previously married at all.

It would be interesting to order Gertrudes birth cert to check if Ada's given name  is Ada Winter or  Ada Hathaway nee Winter.  I suspect it would be the latter, which should prove (or disprove) my feeling. 

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« Reply #13 on: Monday 30 April 07 09:13 BST (UK) »
sorry,  just read your previous post about Leonard's birth cert which proves I think what I have just suggested.
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« Reply #14 on: Monday 30 April 07 14:03 BST (UK) »


  i just wondered if we are looking at the same alfred i have checked the census on Ancestry.co.uk===

for 71 he is born Wolverhampton in 71 (month old)
for 81 he is born wolverhampton in 71
in 91 he is a border in Yorkshire but born in 70 but no place is given
on 1901 he is married to Elizabeth birth is 70 and place is given as Little Hay staffs. wolverhampton is about 15/20 miles from Little Hay, none of the other children are born there.
      So i wondered if the Alfred in 91 and 01 are a different alfred maybe i am wrong!!!!
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