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Robert Morris Roberts 1862 Llangollen
« on: Saturday 28 April 07 23:54 BST (UK) »

hi all i'm looking for anything on this lot/ are they in your tree??

I am looking for any descendants of the Robert Morris Roberts family

Robert Morris Roberts born abt 1862 Llangollen
Janne ? born abt 1860 Corwen

John Robert Roberts born abt 1885 Llangollen
William Owen Roberts born abt 1887 Ruabon
Annie J Roberts born abt 1892 Llangollen

in 1901 census
Robert Morris & John Robert were coal miner (heaver)
William Owen was a Shoemaker
thye lived at 2 Pleasant View Llangollen 

William Owen (my g/dad ) married in Litherland Liverpool 1916, stay there untill he died in 1958

would like to hear from anyone who has them in their tree or knows anything of them

Cheers Robbo

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Re: Robert Morris Roberts 1862 Llangollen
« Reply #1 on: Monday 30 April 07 20:08 BST (UK) »

Hi Robbo.  According to North Wales BMD records, a Robert Morris Roberts was possibly married to a Jane Evans in Rhosymedre in 1884.  Could they be yourd?
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Re: Robert Morris Roberts 1862 Llangollen
« Reply #2 on: Monday 30 April 07 22:34 BST (UK) »

hi Mike
thanks for that, i'm trying to find is William Owen who was my gdad, all I'v got so far is he was a Sgt in the RWF based in Litherland Liverpool 1916 were he married Henrietta Josephine EGAN on the 26 2 1916 the witness names on their marriage certificate are Anne Jane Roberts and Emmond Roberts ?

where is Rhosymedre ??

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Re: Robert Morris Roberts 1862 Llangollen
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 01 May 07 07:48 BST (UK) »

You don't know where Rhosymedre is??!!It is the adjoning Village to Cefn Mawr where I live.As far as the Marriage Mike quoted,the Rhosymedre Marriage Registers as transcribed by Clwyd FHS show the following;
Robert Morris Roberts(Quarryman) of Trevor,married Jane Evans of Llangollen on May the 2nd.Robert's father is given as Robert Roberts(Quarryman),and Jane's Father is given as John Evans(Tailor).

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Re: Robert Morris Roberts 1862 Llangollen
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 01 May 07 19:13 BST (UK) »

William

many thanks for pointing out were Rhosymedre is, its a part of Wales I don't know, also for givning me thier  fathers, I'm just starting on William's side of the family,

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Re: Robert Morris Roberts 1862 Llangollen
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 01 May 07 19:35 BST (UK) »

Its no problem at all Robbo.To give you some idea,Rhosymedre is about five miles from Llangollen,and Trevor is a Village betwen Rhosymedre and Llangollen,about two miles towards Llangollen.

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Re: Robert Morris Roberts 1862 Llangollen
« Reply #6 on: Monday 14 May 07 10:40 BST (UK) »

Hi Robbo

If you are sure that the Rhosymedre*marriage is correct, I have access to both the Lllangollen and Corwen Parish records for further investigation of the parents.

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Gadget

*some of my ancestors were  baptised, married and buried there
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Re: Robert Morris Roberts 1862 Llangollen
« Reply #7 on: Monday 14 May 07 12:52 BST (UK) »

hi Gadget
thanks for the offer of help

this is what I have so far
1901
Robert Morris Roberts age 39 coal miner
Jane   age 41
John   age 16 coal miner
William age 14 shoemaker
Annie age 9
at 2 Pleasant View Llangollen
RG13/5248 Follio 92 page 18

1891
Robert Morris born abt 1862
Jane               born abt 1860
John R            born abt 1885
William O        born abt 1887
RG12/4637 follio 90 page 2 Corwen Llangollen

now is this Robert Morris at home in 1881
Robert age 54 born 1827 head
Catherine    53 born 1828
Lewis           16 born 1865 son
Robert          19 born 1862
Anne              8  born 1873 Daughter
Sunn Inn Cottages
RG11/5540 follio 88 page 22

thanks all
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Re: Robert Morris Roberts 1862 Llangollen
« Reply #8 on: Monday 14 May 07 13:17 BST (UK) »

Hi Robbo

The 1881 one looks very much like your Robert Morris - given that the marriage record that William found  has 'quarryman' for father's occupation and this one is 'labourer (limestone)'. Llanfor (where Robert senior was born)  is a parish on the southern shores of Bala Lake.

How strange, I also have some of those records  Grin

I'll get back to you when I've found something.

Have you located a possible Jane Evans with father John (tailor) on the 1881?

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Re: Robert Morris Roberts 1862 Llangollen
« Reply #9 on: Monday 14 May 07 13:57 BST (UK) »

1871  RG10 Piece 5682 Folio 87 Page 14

Trevor ucha

Robert Roberts, 44, labourer in lime works, b. Llanfawr, Mer
Catherine, 44, b. Llanfawr, Mer
Robert M, 9, b. Llangollen, Denb
Lewis, 7, Llangollen, Denb
John, 4, Llangollen, Denb

As far as I can recall, the 1861 Census for Trefor Ucha(f) is missing/destroyed so if Robert and Catherine were already there we won't be able to find them.
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Re: Robert Morris Roberts 1862 Llangollen
« Reply #10 on: Monday 14 May 07 17:19 BST (UK) »

Hi

I think that this might be a strong possible for Jane Evans in 1881

RG11/5541 Folio 17 page 27

Llangollen Abbott

Eagles Hotel

Samuel Pugh, hd, mar,50, Hotel proprietor, b. Llangollen
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Jane Evans, servant,  unm, 21, general servant, b. Merionethshire

It is the only Jane Evans of the correct age, b. Merionethshire in the area.

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Re: Robert Morris Roberts 1862 Llangollen
« Reply #11 on: Monday 14 May 07 23:04 BST (UK) »

I'm having great difficulty finding a likely Jane or her father in 1861 or 1871. There are many but none match what we know  Huh


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Re: Robert Morris Roberts 1862 Llangollen
« Reply #12 on: Monday 14 May 07 23:17 BST (UK) »

hi Gadget

thanks for all your help, can I be cheeky to ask if you get any time to check the   Parish records to see if any of them are in them

once again a big thank you


photo is of William Owen Roberts  26 Feb 1916 on his wedding day to Henrietta Josephine EGAN born 11 Sept 1889 Seaforth Liverpool


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Re: Robert Morris Roberts 1862 Llangollen
« Reply #13 on: Monday 14 May 07 23:24 BST (UK) »

They don't go as forward as 1860, Robbo, so I need the link births.   I'm going to PM Paul, our resident man with a bike. he goes to the records office quite often and could probably look up:

Jane Evans , b.c. 1859-60, Corwen, Merionethshire - father John Evans (tailor)
Robert Morris Roberts, b.c 1862, Llangollen - father Robert Roberts - mother Catherine

This put up for Paul to see!

Corwen/Llangollen births 1837-1880 not on North Wales BMD yet  Sad

If we can get over this hump, we can get back further in my parish records - hopefully!

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Re: Robert Morris Roberts 1862 Llangollen
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 15 May 07 00:10 BST (UK) »

Robert Morris Roberts - birth registration:

June Quarter, 1862, vol 11b, Page 434, Corwen

Corwen was the Reg Dist for Llangollen

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