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Topic: Mabel WATTS - Beaminster Dorset (Read 799 times)
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Frances
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Hi Vicwinann,
In searching I found the Christening of Frederick John.
Frederick John Watts Christened 20 April 1879 Beaminster
Parents Frederick Watts and Elizabeth
FHL Film 1279479
I have had a look at the Dorset OPC site, not sure if the Baptisms for Beaminster have reached the years you need yet but well worth looking at and keeping an eye on.
http://www.dorset-opc.com/
Regards,
Frances 
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Tuscany
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I have found the Dorset OPC site absolutely invaluable and when in doubt over my Dorset ancestors head straight for that as first port of call.
Sorry, you asked where the records would be for Beaminster. They are most probably at the Dorset Record Office in Dorchester, and they are very helpful.
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TUBBS: Fair Oak, Hants. Woodlands, Horton, Wimborne, Dorset.
OLIVER: Chilton Candover, Basingstoke, Bishopstoke, Fair Oak, Woolston, Hants.
RUFFELL: Bighton, Alresford area, Hants.
MAIDMENT: Horton, Dorset. MACKENZIE Bishopstoke, Hants. BARNES, Fisherton Delamare, Wilts.
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nosmoking
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That is a coincidence!
Opposite our house in St Mary St was a 'Fred' watts. he had a daughter Mable Marie Watts, I am still in touch with one of the family. Fred was living after 1947. Mable died when I was very young, say 1930's
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rjknott
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The Beaminster registers show several Watts families having children at about the right time. I wonder whether Mabel was actually much older than she let on, although it is difficult to see how a 40 year-old could get away with saying sge was 'over 21'.
Marriage Dec 1896 Beaminster
Ernest Frederick Charles WATTS
Mabel Maria GIBBS
From the St Mary Beaminster registers:
Children of Ernest Charles Frederick (carter/labourer) and Mabel Maria WATTS:
6 Dec 1896 Cecil
14 May 1898 Arthur Victor
13 Aug 1899 Kathleen Mabel (unfortunately called Kathleen in the 1901 and 1911 censuses)
24 sept 1902 Frank
26 Aug 1906 Lucy Emma
26 Jun 1910 Frederick Ernest
The registers stop there but freebmd shows three more Watts/Gibbs births in Beaminster: Jack (1915), Hilda (1916), Ronald (1919).
It would have been good if Kathleen Mabel had died and another Mabel been born c 1912, but I can't find any evidence for that.
Richard
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Knott,Boutell,Warman,Winder,Webster,Uings,Evans,Drage
Pike,Pike,Watson,Pratt,Homewood,Stephenson,Brown,Pattison
Holmes,Tomlinson,Moorby,Cardus,Gill,Lambert,Binns,Emmott
Fenning,Pudney,Wilson,Walker,Hine,Treeby,Knox,Butler
Jack,Carswell,Gardiner,Alexander,Gibb,Watson,Naismith,Telfer
Gray,Inglis,Gibb,Watson,Taylor,Taylor,Gaff,Henderson
Gayford,Clarke,Palmer,Jessup,Smart,Hutson,Lloyd,Northover
Ridley,Lee,Bird,Mingings,Moore,Colthart,Lawson,Hind
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rjknott
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Sorry, I hadn't appreciated that you knew Frederick John was the father.
Searching for Watts (mother's maiden name Wareham) births on freebmd gives:
Dec 1913 Florence E
Jun 1916 Herbert
Mar 1918 Katherine
All these are in Beaminster, but the entries stop then (there are some in Cardiff but probably unrelated). presumably the Frederick John Watts b 1905 in Beaminster is also a son but which between 1905 and 1913 are children is a guess.
Perhaps she was the illegitimate daughter of Kathleen Mabel and named her grandfather as her father on the marriage certificate.
Richard
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Knott,Boutell,Warman,Winder,Webster,Uings,Evans,Drage
Pike,Pike,Watson,Pratt,Homewood,Stephenson,Brown,Pattison
Holmes,Tomlinson,Moorby,Cardus,Gill,Lambert,Binns,Emmott
Fenning,Pudney,Wilson,Walker,Hine,Treeby,Knox,Butler
Jack,Carswell,Gardiner,Alexander,Gibb,Watson,Naismith,Telfer
Gray,Inglis,Gibb,Watson,Taylor,Taylor,Gaff,Henderson
Gayford,Clarke,Palmer,Jessup,Smart,Hutson,Lloyd,Northover
Ridley,Lee,Bird,Mingings,Moore,Colthart,Lawson,Hind
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Vicwinann
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Perhaps she was the illegitimate daughter of Kathleen Mabel and named her grandfather as her father on the marriage certificate. unquote
Yes, we had thought that Mabel may have been illeg. and brought up by either her grandparents or another relative. As you say, it is often the case that such people put a relative's name as father at marriage to avoid the social stigma. According to her first marriage cert in 1941 Birmingham, Frederick John was a quarry worker and she said she was 21 of Tanyard, Beaminster. In 1963, though, she said she was 40.
There are no baptisms for Frederick John and Annie Rosina on the Dorset OPC site, and although I have their marr cert we really are stuck. From my daughter's father-in-law, and also Mabel's second husband, I do know that Mabel had problems proving her age when she retired because no-one could find a birth cert. Eventually the Pension people accepted her 2 marriage certs as proof of age.
Yours
Vicwinann
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nosmoking
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Hi
My father lied regarding his age when he married my mum in 1918 by 10 years.
Martha Mable had siblings:-
Samuel, Mary Eliz', Margaret, Emma, Alice, Arthur, Clare J, Frederick, George.
Frederick B 1875 Mable 1876 ?
George
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