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jadewing
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Hello
I have Alfred & Frances Gill in 1881 in Brighton, but could someone kindly see if they can be found in the earlier or later census?
In 1881 they were living at 2 St Georges Road, Brighton with 6 of their children:
Alfred GILL 61 East Dean, Sussex, England Carryman & Coal Merchant
Frances E. GILL 52 Clapham, Sussex, England
Alfred Gill m Frances Elizabeth Pelling c 1852. Frances' parents John & Jane Pelling died in 1833 & 1838 and I believe Frances was a housemaid in Brighton in 1851, although I don't have a source for that information 
Cheers, Jane
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?: Dorman, Gowland. DBY: Walters. DVN: Berry, Gent, Norman, Reed, Watts. ESX: Adams. NBL: Fenwick, Jobson. NFK: Dewing, Goss, Herring. SAL: Bailey, Ball. SRY: Wicks. SSX: Baker, Pelling/Young, Parlett, Paine. STS: Bailey, Hanson, Penn, Radford. YKS: Dewing. NI Co Armagh: Sergeant, Bradford. Wales: Williams, Owens.
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Pels.
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Hi Jane,
1871 census:
RG10/1073, folio 40, page 1
Sussex, Brighton
2 St. Georges Rd
Alfred Gill, h. mar. 51, Dairyman + Coal Merchant, Employing 11
men and 2 boys, Farmer of 68 acres, b. Sussex, East Dean
Frances E. wife, mar. 42, b. Sussex, Clapham
Kate, dau. unm. 18, b. Sussex, Brighton
Alfred S. son. unm. 17, b. Brighton
Harry P. son, unm. 16, Barristers Clerk, b. Brighton
Elizabeth, dau. 14, Scholar, b. Brighton
Alice, dau. 12
Edward, son, 6
Frances A. dau. 5
Edith J. dau 2
Harriet Gladman, serv. unm. 20, General Serv. b. Laughton
Rose Pelling, serv. unm. 14, Nursemaid Domestic, b, Surrey, Farnham
Kind regards,
Pels
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jadewing
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Thanks Pels 
"Dairyman + Coal Merchant, Employing 11 men and 2 boys, Farmer of 68 acres" Seems like a strange mix of occupations  And good to see Harry & Elizabeth there. Harry came out to Australia in 1882, but I can't locate him in 1881
And now I'll have to fossick around to see whether Rose is related too 
Jane
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?: Dorman, Gowland. DBY: Walters. DVN: Berry, Gent, Norman, Reed, Watts. ESX: Adams. NBL: Fenwick, Jobson. NFK: Dewing, Goss, Herring. SAL: Bailey, Ball. SRY: Wicks. SSX: Baker, Pelling/Young, Parlett, Paine. STS: Bailey, Hanson, Penn, Radford. YKS: Dewing. NI Co Armagh: Sergeant, Bradford. Wales: Williams, Owens.
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Hi again Jane,
1861 census:
RG9/591, folio 164, page 13
Sussex, Brighton
1-2, St. Georges Road
Alfred Gill, h. mar. 41, Cowkeeper, emp. 5 men + 2 boys, b. Sussex, East Dean
Frances E. wife, mar. 32, b. Sussex, Clapham
Alfred, son, 7, Scholar, b. Sussex, Brighton
Elizabeth, dau. 4, b. Brighton, b. Brighton
John, son, 7 mths. b. Brighton
Henry Pelling, uncle, unm. 54, Miller, b. Durrington
Elizabeth Holland, mother, widow, 68, b. Battle
Frances Kemp, ser, unm. 18, House Servant, b. Mayfield
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1891 census:
RG12/803, folio 38, page 28
Sussex, Brighton
2 St. George Rd
Alfred Gill, h. mar. 71, Foreman and Dairyman, b. Sussex, East Dean
Frances E. wife, mar. 62, b. London, Clapham
Frances, dau, unm. 25, Book Keeper, b. Sussex, Brighton
William A. South, grandson, 7, b. Sussex, Mayfield
Elizabeth Chandler, serv, unm. 23, Domestic, b. Sussex
Jane Bennett, unm. 14, General Serv. b. Heathfield
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You're a star Pels!
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?: Dorman, Gowland. DBY: Walters. DVN: Berry, Gent, Norman, Reed, Watts. ESX: Adams. NBL: Fenwick, Jobson. NFK: Dewing, Goss, Herring. SAL: Bailey, Ball. SRY: Wicks. SSX: Baker, Pelling/Young, Parlett, Paine. STS: Bailey, Hanson, Penn, Radford. YKS: Dewing. NI Co Armagh: Sergeant, Bradford. Wales: Williams, Owens.
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I've had a look to see if I can find a possible match for Harry in 1881 and I'm afraid I can't see one either?
Also no obvious match for Frances or Alfred in 1851 - what a shame .. .. Unless someone else can help?
Kind regards,
Pels 
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jadewing
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Thanks Again Pels.
Frances ought to be in Brighton. She could also be listed as Young or Pelling Young as her father (my 4GGF) was the natural son of Hugh Pelling, although his mother Elizabeth French was married to James Young at the time
Harry should be in London - according to the Aust Dictionary of Biography he won a scholarship to the National Art Training School in South Kensington (aka Royal College of Art) which he held for 5 years.
The grandson William South has me puzzled, as I can't see that any of the Gill girls married a South. Maybe it was a second marriage or one of the boys had been playing up?
Cheers, Jane
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?: Dorman, Gowland. DBY: Walters. DVN: Berry, Gent, Norman, Reed, Watts. ESX: Adams. NBL: Fenwick, Jobson. NFK: Dewing, Goss, Herring. SAL: Bailey, Ball. SRY: Wicks. SSX: Baker, Pelling/Young, Parlett, Paine. STS: Bailey, Hanson, Penn, Radford. YKS: Dewing. NI Co Armagh: Sergeant, Bradford. Wales: Williams, Owens.
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See what you think to this one Jane ..
1851 census:
HO107/1644, folio 352, page 27
Sussex, Brighton
12, Arundel Terrace
Fanny Pelling, serv. unm. 23, Servant, b. Sussex, Clapham
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1851 census:
HO107/1644, folio 350, page 23
Sussex, Brighton
2 Arundel Terrace
Alfred Gill, serv. unm. 31, Butler, b. Sussex, East Dean
Too much of a coincidence!
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Excellent sleuthing Pels! 
Whose house were they serving in?
Jane
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?: Dorman, Gowland. DBY: Walters. DVN: Berry, Gent, Norman, Reed, Watts. ESX: Adams. NBL: Fenwick, Jobson. NFK: Dewing, Goss, Herring. SAL: Bailey, Ball. SRY: Wicks. SSX: Baker, Pelling/Young, Parlett, Paine. STS: Bailey, Hanson, Penn, Radford. YKS: Dewing. NI Co Armagh: Sergeant, Bradford. Wales: Williams, Owens.
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jadewing
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Looking at the 1861 record I wonder where Kate, Harry and Alice are? They would be only 8, 6 & 2 yo, so too young to be out on their own.
Uncle Henry died in Apr 1861 so maybe Frances was nursing him and sent the kids to a relative, but then why keep the 4yo Elizabeth at home?
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?: Dorman, Gowland. DBY: Walters. DVN: Berry, Gent, Norman, Reed, Watts. ESX: Adams. NBL: Fenwick, Jobson. NFK: Dewing, Goss, Herring. SAL: Bailey, Ball. SRY: Wicks. SSX: Baker, Pelling/Young, Parlett, Paine. STS: Bailey, Hanson, Penn, Radford. YKS: Dewing. NI Co Armagh: Sergeant, Bradford. Wales: Williams, Owens.
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That could very well be the case Jane because the 1861 census was taken on the evening of the 7th. April. Here they are living as boarders:
1861 census:
RG9/613, folio 60, page 1
Sussex, Findon
Nepcote Lane
Martha Brown, h. widow, 71, Blacksmith, b. Sussex, Broadwater
Walter, son, unm. 29, Blacksmith, b. Sussex, Findon
Harriet, dau. unm. 45, b. Findon
William C. Brown, grandson, unm. 19, Blacksmith, b. Findon
Catherine Gill, boarder, 8, Scholar, b. Brighton
Harry Gill, boarder, 6, Scholar, b. Brighton
Alice Gill, boarder, 3, b. Brighton
Edmund Bachelor, serv. unm. 17, Blacksmith, b. Sussex, Arundel
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Details as before Jane,
Decinsley Naish, head, widow, 52, Fundholder, b. Spain, British subject
Thomas Naish, son, unm. 27, Fundholder, Sussex
Alfred Gill, serv. unm. 31, Butler, b. Sussex, East Dean
+ numerous servants and what appears to be the occupants of next door ..
James Anderson, h. mar. 50, Preacher of Lincoln's Inn, b. East Indies,
Barbara C. wife, 54, b. Sussex, Brighton
Fanny Pelling, serv. unm. 23, Servant, b. Sussex, Clapham
The following link will give you an idea with regard to Lincoln's Inn:
http://www.lincolnsinn.org.uk/
I will post a thread in the Common Room regarding the occupation - hopefully someone can help .. .. I will then modify this accordingly!
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Here we are:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01i7/
I'm pleased I checked because I was very wrong!!
The occupation of James Anderson was:
Preacher of Lincoln's Inn
Chaplain in Ordinary to The Queen
Rector of Tormarton, Gloster P
Kind regards,
Pels
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