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moscan
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James Anderson Born 16 November 1806 Bathgate
Father John Anderson
Mother Janet Binning
Archibald Anderson Born 21 August 1808 Bathgate
Father John Anderson
Mother Janet Binning
I think I found them on the 1841 Census too... with 4 children (none of which are the two above)
John Anderson Head aged 55 Postman born in county
Janet Anderson aged 45 born in County
janet Anderson aged 10 born in County
John Anderson aged 9 born in county
Peter Anderson aged 7 born in county
Christian Anderson aged 5 born in county
Hope this helps a little
Best wishes
Mo
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JAP
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Hi Billy,
As you say, that gap is certainly a bit odd.
Children of John ANDERSON & Janet BINNING, all Bathgate, West Lothian
James 1806
Archibald 1808
John 1811
Christian 1824
Smith 1826
Samuel Martin 1828
What information do you have about your William - approximate date of birth, birthplace, etc. Are you sure that he is a child of John & Janet?
JAP
PS: I suppose you've seen the Smith ANDERSON (an unusual name?) on FreeCEN in 1841 - as a 15yo male servant in Whitburn, West Lothian.
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Scotland - HALL, HARLEY, LOCHTY/LOCHTIE/LOUGHTIE/LOUGHTY (very rare), MCLAUSE/MCLAWS/MCILHOSE/HOSE (quite rare and many very variable spellings - close to 100 to date), PHILP/PHILIP, VASSIE; Ireland - BOURKE/BURKE, DONOHUE (many spellings), DOOLEY, KINSELLA, MAXWELL, OSBORNE, RAFFERTY, STA(U)NTON, SULLIVAN; England - BAYES, BROWNELL, DALTON, FREEMAN, HACKING, PIERCY, SIDDLE, SWIFT, SULLIVAN, TINK(L)ER, TRIPPIT. Any spellings and many other names!
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Billy Anderson
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HI Jap, thank you for you help with the research. I have got all the children you list, the info I have on my 3x Great grandfather William Anderson is that when he died in 1903 at the age of 84 in Denny, Stirlingshire it was stated on his death certificate that his parents were Janet Binnie and John Anderson and he was born Bathgate. he was married for 60 years to Hellen Miller and the had 11 children and 80 grandchildren the traditonal naming sequence of children points to Williams parents being John and Janet. Knowing that it was the grandson who provided the details for the death cert this could be very wrong!Previous census returns for william have stated Bathgate I am fairly convinced that my William is related to the children mentioned. I supose there is a posabilty that Janet and John emigrated then came back to Bathgate but they must have been somewere and they took the bother to regester the births of thier children so there is a good chance they are out there.They lost children to fever so this could have been the reason to move away from the fever area at the time. I have found Smith Anderson and him being a servent at 15 may be due to his parents being away or dead. I have not got the death cert for Smith but he was married to Marion Bennie and was a Provost of Kilsyth and a grain and comm. agent. I should get a copy of his death cert to check out his parents names. sorry this is a bit winded , thanks for your help, Billy.
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ANDERSON=Glasgow, Denny,Bathgate,Kilsyth/Alameda(USA)
BINNING= Bathgate
MILLER=Kilsyth
BLACK, MCINTYRE=Ise of Lismore
DONALD=Enzie
LYMBURNER=Denny
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apanderson
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Hi Billy,
I don't know whether you know this - but Smith Anderson is buried in Kilsyth Cemetery.
The incription on his stone is:
1871
Erected by Smith Anderson in memory of his daughter
JANET born 1853, died 1856
Also his son WILLIAM born 1839, died 1863
The above SMITH ANDERSON born 1826, died 1900
His daughter JEANIE born 1856, died 1901
His wife MARION BENNEY born 1826 died 1907
His son SMITH born 18??, died 1933?
This might help when you're trying to pinpoint dates of birth and dates of death to get certificates. Unfortunately there's no dates or months, only years.
PM me with your e-mail address and I'll forward some photos.
Anne
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JAP
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Hi again Billy,
I'm sure you are right about your William's parentage - and his birthdate (ca 1819) is well within the time of the missing children. And (you say) William gave his birthplace as Bathgate, so one has to wonder whether there were pages missing from the parish register with the baptisms for those missing years - or whether John & Janet didn't baptize their children in those missing years for some other reason. Perhaps it might be worth getting the relevant film into your local LDS Family History centre just to check this out ...
Anne's MI is great (exact year of birth for Smith). Perhaps there is an MI for your William in Denny?
And perhaps there might be MIs for John & Janet in Bathgate - though I guess you've checked this out.
Regards,
JAP
PS: I wouldn't read anything into Smith being employed on a farm away from his parents in 1841 - at his age this was more usual than not in those days.
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Scotland - HALL, HARLEY, LOCHTY/LOCHTIE/LOUGHTIE/LOUGHTY (very rare), MCLAUSE/MCLAWS/MCILHOSE/HOSE (quite rare and many very variable spellings - close to 100 to date), PHILP/PHILIP, VASSIE; Ireland - BOURKE/BURKE, DONOHUE (many spellings), DOOLEY, KINSELLA, MAXWELL, OSBORNE, RAFFERTY, STA(U)NTON, SULLIVAN; England - BAYES, BROWNELL, DALTON, FREEMAN, HACKING, PIERCY, SIDDLE, SWIFT, SULLIVAN, TINK(L)ER, TRIPPIT. Any spellings and many other names!
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apanderson
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JAP,
I found William & his wife's grave in Denny for Billy last year.
The MI:
In memory of WILLIAM ANDERSON who died at East Borland 25th March 1903 aged 84 years
HELEN MILLER his wife died 17th May 1906 aged 87 years
JANET ANDERSON their daughter
MARGARET FLEMING died 29th December 1906 wife of John Anderson
Who died 29th March 1915 aged 71 years
Billy,
Here I am blabbing on about MI's and at the back of my mind I'm thinking - did I actually send you the photos?
If I did (and I'm keeping my fingers that I remembered to do so), did you get round to getting a copy of his death cert? It obviously won't confirm his date of birth, but it will confirm who his parents are.
Anne
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JAP
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Hi Anne,
I might have known that you would have dotted all the i's and crossed all the t's 
Latterly, I've been checking out people's previous posts in order to avoid duplication but this time ...
I really can't quite see how Billy can get further back, with any certainty, with his William's parents - who, it seems, are almost certainly John ANDERSON & Janet BINNING. Unless there are MIs for them somewhere. Though perhaps there is information on earlier posts re John & Janet in censuses with ages and birthplaces? And, if they lived to grand old ages, perhaps their deaths might be on SP.
Regards,
JAP
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Scotland - HALL, HARLEY, LOCHTY/LOCHTIE/LOUGHTIE/LOUGHTY (very rare), MCLAUSE/MCLAWS/MCILHOSE/HOSE (quite rare and many very variable spellings - close to 100 to date), PHILP/PHILIP, VASSIE; Ireland - BOURKE/BURKE, DONOHUE (many spellings), DOOLEY, KINSELLA, MAXWELL, OSBORNE, RAFFERTY, STA(U)NTON, SULLIVAN; England - BAYES, BROWNELL, DALTON, FREEMAN, HACKING, PIERCY, SIDDLE, SWIFT, SULLIVAN, TINK(L)ER, TRIPPIT. Any spellings and many other names!
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Death cert for William Anderson details are as follows.
William Anderson retired farmer married to Helen Miller, died March 25 1903 East Borland, Denny, aged 87 yrs.
Father listed as being John Anderson, and Mother listed as being Janet Binnie and William Anderson his grandson registered the death.,
Best wishes
Mo
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Researching: - Freear, Walker, Aston, Scanlan, Courtney, Lowth, O’Sulivan, McDonnell, Condon, McMahon, McKay, Brock, Gourlay, Busby
Locations: - March in Cambridgeshire, Banbury in Oxfordshire, Mileham in Norfolk, Worcester, Evesham, Claines in Worcestershire, Birmingham. Dublin, Cork, Fermanagh in Ireland. Glasgow, Stirling in Scotland
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There is a Will listing on Scotlandspeople for a John Anderson Letter carrier of Bathgate, West Lothian dated 24th january 1860 it may be worth getting a copy of that.
Best wishes
Mo
PS on the basis of that i found the death of John Anderson Letter Carrier on 3 Jan 1860 Mid Street, Bathgate. Widower and his parents are listed as being James Anderson (Weaver) deceased and Christina Anderson nee Wright Deceased. Death was registered by Janet McDonald, Daughter present.
He is buried in Old Churchyard, Bathgate.
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Locations: - March in Cambridgeshire, Banbury in Oxfordshire, Mileham in Norfolk, Worcester, Evesham, Claines in Worcestershire, Birmingham. Dublin, Cork, Fermanagh in Ireland. Glasgow, Stirling in Scotland
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