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1841/1851census-Sarah Pither
« on: Friday 04 May 07 04:12 BST (UK) »
Could someone please help me find Sarah Pither (maiden Lucas) in the 1841 & 1851census.
Sarah Lucas (now Pither) baptism 13/10/1816, Long Sutton, Hants

Based on BMD Index Sarah Lucas married George Pither QMAR1839, RD-Fareham. (most likely in Long Sutton parish)
From Online1901 there is a Sarah & George Pither:
1841c: Sarah Age 26 [1815]  & George Age 28 [1813] in Hartley Whintney & Farnham district
1851c: Sarah Age 33 [1818] & George Age 37 [1814] in Farnborough distict
After this the trail goes cold.

Any help is much appreciated.
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Re: 1841/1851census-Sarah Pither
« Reply #1 on: Friday 04 May 07 04:33 BST (UK) »
Hi Tim

This might be them:-

1841 Census England Hampshire Long Sutton
HO107/395/5/5
Sutton Street

PITHER
George 28 Ag Lab Yes
Sarah 24 Yes
Robert 6mths Yes

Next door was

PITHER
Henry 30 Ag Lab Yes
Ann 45 Yes
Emma 5 Yes

And a few houses away

PITHER
John Ag Lab 55 Yes
Lucy 55 Yes
Henry 25 Ag Lab Yes
Edward 15 Ag Lab Yes

1851 Census England Hampshire Long Sutton
HO107/1596/176/9
Court Cottage

PITHER
George Head marr 37 Rat Catcher Hants Long Sutton
Sarah Wife Marr 33 Rat Catcher's Wife Hants Long Sutton
Robert Son Unmarr 10 Hants Long Sutton
Samuel Son Unmarr 8 Hants Long Sutton
Jane Dau Unmarr 6 Hants Long Sutton
?? Dau Unmarr 3 Hants Long Sutton
?? Son Unmarr 1 Hants Long Sutton

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Re: 1861+ census-Sarah Pither
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 05 May 07 06:57 BST (UK) »
I am now looking for Sarah Pither in 1861 census and beyond after the great work by 'KarenLee' in 1841 & 1851census previously.
Could someone please provide fuller details of them and any children of following:
From on-line indexes I have found her:
1861c: Age 44 (1817) born Long Sutton Hants in Long Sutton
With husband George Age47 (1814) born Long Sutton, Hants

1871c: Age 54  (1817) born LS, Hants in Long Sutton
With husband George Age 58 (1813) born LS, Hants

1881c: Age 64 (1817) born LS, Hants in Long Sutton
With husband George Age 67 (1814)

Can't seem to find them in 1891c. Any help?

Any help appreciated,
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Re: 1841/1851census-Sarah Pither
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 05 May 07 09:09 BST (UK) »
Might as well keep going then ....

1861 Census England Hampshire Long Sutton
RG9/434/65/5
Long Sutton

PITHER
George Head Marr 47 Thatcher Hants Long Sutton
Sarah Wife Marr 44 Hants Long Sutton
Robert Son Unmarr 20 Thatcher Hants Long Sutton
Samuel Son Unmarr 18 Thatcher Hants Long Sutton
Tenas? Son Unmarr 12 Hants Long Sutton
Amos Son Unmarr 11 Hants Long Sutton
Kesia Dau Unmarr 5 Hants Long Sutton
Jemima Dau Unmarr 2 Hants Long Sutton

1871 Census England Hampshire Long Sutton
RG10/1230/87/7
Long Sutton Village

PITHER
George Head Marr 58 Thatcher Hants Long Sutton
Sarah Wife Marr 54 Wife Hants Long Sutton
Fenas? Son Unmarr 21 Thatcher Hants Long Sutton
Amos Son Unmarr 18 Thatcher Hants Long Sutton
Jemima Dau Unmarr 12 Hants Long Sutton

1881 Census England Hampshire Long Sutton
RG11/1250/88/4
Cottage

PITHER
George Head Marr 67 Thatcher Hants Long Sutton
Sarah Wife Marr 64 Hants Long Sutton

I think that after this you should probably be looking for a death for both Sarah and George as they don't seem to appear on any further Census.

Did you want any later Census with any of their children?

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Re: 1841/1851census-Sarah Pither
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 05 May 07 09:38 BST (UK) »
Long Sutton baptism
George Pither
21st February 1813
Robert and Ann

1841 census HO107 395/1 folio 8
Sutton Street Long Sutton Hampshire
Robert Pither 60 Born Hampshire Ag lab
Ann Pither 60  Born Hampshire

Adult ages (those over 15) usually rounded down to the nearest 5 on the 1841 census

1851 census HO107 1596 folio 179
Sutton Street Long Sutton Hampshire
Stephen Pither 45 Long Sutton Hampshire Head Married Ag lab
Eliza Pither 42  Odiham Hampshire Wife Married
Ann Pither 71 Long Sutton Hampshire Mother Widow Pauper Formerly Ag lab's wife

Sarah Lucas
13th October 1816
Samuel and Jane

Judging from other Long Sutton baptisms of Sarah's siblings this is the family on the 1841 census misenumerated (not mistranscribed - indexer has indexed what is written on the page)

1841 census HO107 395/1 folio 7
Sutton Street Long Sutton Hampshire
Samuel Lacey 50 Born Hampshire Blacksmith
Jane Lacey 45  Born Hampshire
Charlotte Lacey 20 Born Hampshire
Stephen Lacey 15 Born Hampshire
Barberina Lacey 12  Born Hampshire
Emily Lacey 9  Born Hampshire
James Lacey 7  Born Hampshire

1851 census HO107 1680 folio 160
Odiham Hampshire
Samuel Lucas 61  Upton Grey Hampshire Head Married Blacksmith
Jane Lucas 56 Long Sutton Hampshire Wife Married
John Lucas 8  Odiham Hampshire Grandson

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Re: 1841/1851census-Sarah Pither
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 05 May 07 22:30 BST (UK) »
This looks like it might be Robert :-

1871 Census England Hampshire Froyle
RG10/1228/11/13
Main Road

PITHER
Robert Head Marr 30 Ag Lab Sutton Hants
Mary A Wife Marr 30 Hants Church Oakley
William Son Unmarr 4 Scholar Hants Chiddles??


1881 Census England Hampshire Froyle
RG11/1248/12/18

PITHER
Robert Head Marr 40 Ag Lab Hants Sutton
Mary A Wife Marr 40 Hants Church Oakley

1891 Census England Hampshire Long Sutton
RG12/953/174/4
Long Sutton Street

PITHER
Robert Head Marr 50 Farm Lab Hants Long Sutton
Mary A Wife Marr 50 Hants Church Oakley

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Re: 1841/1851census-Sarah Pither
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 05 May 07 23:15 BST (UK) »
Here are some other of George and Sarah's children

1881 Census England Hampshire Long Sutton
RG11/1250/89/5
Cottage

PITHER
Samuel Head Marr 38 Ag Lab Hants Long Sutton
Hannah Wife Marr 38 Hants Long Sutton
James STENT Father In Law Wid 66 Ag Lab Hants Long Sutton

1891 Census England Hampshire Long Sutton
RG12/953/174/3
Long Sutton Street

PITHER
Samuel Head Wid 48 Ag Lab Hants Long Sutton
Rosa MILAM Serv Unmarr 17 Dom Serv Hants Long Sutton
Edith MILAM Lodger Unmarr 10 Scholar Hants Long Sutton

1901 Census England Hampshire Long Sutton
RG13/1102/15/3
Long Sutton Street

PITHER
Samuel Head Wid 57 Ag Lab Hants Long Sutton



1881 Census Hampshire Binsted
RG11/1247/51/16
Isington

PITHER
Zenas Head Marr 31 Thatcher and Hurdle Maker Hants Long Sutton
Ann Wife Marr 33 Hants Micheldever
Augusta L Dau Unmarr 7 Scholar Hants Binsted
Alfred Son Unmarr 4 Scholar Hants Binsted
Sarah A Dau Unmarr 1 Hants Binsted


1901 Census England Hampshire Binsted
RG13/1100/35/5
Wheatley Lane

PITHER
Lenas Head Wid 52 Thatcher and Hurdle Maker Hants Long Sutton
Jemima Ellen Dau Unmarr 19 Hants Binsted
Lenas Son Unmarr 15 Ag Lab Hants Binsted

This is Amos :-

1901 Census England Lonson St Pancras Camden Town
RG13/148/83/35
50 Stanley Building

PITHER
Amos Head Marr 48 Metropolitan Police Sergeant Hants Long Sutton
Emily Wife Marr 52 Wilts Salisbury
George F Son Unmarr 25 Scientific Glass Blower Hants Hardway
Stephen A Son Unmarr 21 Tailors Porter Wilts Salisbury
Francis W Son Unmarr 12 London Stoke Newington

1891 Census England London Stoke Newington
RG12/180/156/52
60 Pellerin Road

PITHER
Smos Head Marr 38 Police Constable Hants Long Sutton
Emily Wife Marr  42 Wilts Salisbury
George F Son Unmarr 15 Glass Blower Hants Gosper
Stephen A Son Unmarr 11 Scholar Wilts Salisbury
Francis W Son Unmarr 2 London Stoke Newington

1881 Census England London St John Hackney
RG11/294/87/50
330 Kingsland Road

PITHER
Amos Head Marr 28 Police Constable Hants Long Sutton
Emily Wife Marr 30 Wilts Salisbury
George F Son Unmarr 5 Hants Gosport
Stephen A Son Unmarr 1 Wilts Salisbury

In 1881 I found Kezia PITHER in service in Merrow Surrey, aged 27, Cook Dom Serv.

She married Thomas ELLWOOD in 1888 in Chorlton, Lancashire

1891 Census England Cheshire Knutsford Inferior
RG12/2828/21/36
"Rose and Crown"

ELLWOOD
Thomas Head Marr 36 Solicitors Clerk Cumberland Bolton
Kezia Wife Marr 35 Hants Long Sutton

1901 Census England Cheshire Knutsford
RG13/3329/61/28
Tatton Street

ELLWOOD
Thomas Head Marr 46 Publican Cumberland Bolton
Kezia Wife Marr 45 Hants Long Sutton
2 servants

Cheers
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Re: 1841/1851census-Sarah Pither
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 06 May 07 12:25 BST (UK) »
Going back to Sarah Lucas' parents, this looks like the marriage:

Samuel Lucas m Jane Ayliffe 9 Apr 1814 Long Sutton

Samuel Lucas baptised 20 Nov 1790 Upton Grey, parents James & Mary Lucas.

This would fit the 1851 census data.

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