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Tracing Baby Christopher Bowes b. abt.1901-1903

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Tracing Baby Christopher Bowes b. abt.1901-1903
« on: Friday 04 May 07 13:38 BST (UK) »

Hi!

Looking for a little help!

My Great Grandmother had 4 children. Christopher, Emily Alethea (b.1904 d.1905), Herbert Vivian (b.1906 d.1975) and Dorothy Marie (b.1909 d.1996). It's baby Christopher that I'm having problems with. I believe he was born between 1901 and 1903 in Scarborough. Their 2nd child Emily died as an infant, in Blackpool and buried in Scarborough, and I have all the documents and some photos for her. But, nothing at all for little Christopher.

I am thinking perhaps he may have been stillborn and wonder whether there might be any record anywhere. There are definitely no birth or death certificates for him.

I would appreciate anyone's thoughts or ideas on this.
Thank you Shocked

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Re: Tracing Baby Christopher Bowes b. abt.1901-1903
« Reply #1 on: Friday 04 May 07 14:13 BST (UK) »

There is a Christopher.T.Bowes Born Scarbrough in the March 1/4 0f 1911, No 9d 363, hope it helps

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Re: Tracing Baby Christopher Bowes b. abt.1901-1903
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 05 May 07 14:14 BST (UK) »

Thank you 'Rock' for taking the time to look up and reply. I appreciate your help.

Unfortunately this Christopher isn't the one! To fit the family timeline 'our' Christopher must have been born after 1900 and before 1904 when the family moved from Scarborough to Blackpool. We have a family written record that shows Christopher did actually exist at some point, although he could have been stillborn.

Does anyone know where or if it might be possible to check for a stillbirth? I mean would such children be buried in a grave? Were stillbirth records kept as far back as this?

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Re: Tracing Baby Christopher Bowes b. abt.1901-1903
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 13 May 07 19:30 BST (UK) »

Does anyone who happens to be familiar with the cemeteries in Scarborough know whether it was normal procedure for stillborn babies to be buried in the early 1900's?

As I have so far drawn a blank on birth and death indexes I think I will have to assume that Christopher was stillborn. don't really know what to try next!!

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« Reply #4 on: Sunday 13 May 07 19:33 BST (UK) »

sometimes babies that were stillborn were just listed as infant although your great grandmother may have named him Christopher it could just be the fact he was listed as Infant or son of or child of rather than Christopher.


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Re: Tracing Baby Christopher Bowes b. abt.1901-1903
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 13 May 07 19:53 BST (UK) »

Hi all,

I haven't got any knowledge myself but I saw Valda explaining stillbirths here

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,232015.msg1240190.html#msg1240190


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« Reply #6 on: Monday 14 May 07 17:41 BST (UK) »

Hi!

Thank you for your replies Toni* and Tati.

Just had a look through the birth and death indexes for a Bowes, using 'male', 'infant', 'son', and leaving forename blank. All I get is a complete blank!

I think I have to assume at this point that Christopher was most likely "Born Asleep", and I will try and find something following this route. The post you refered me to Tati was really interesting; hadn't come across information like that before. I think my next port of call will have to be through the cemetery in Scarborough. There is a family grave, I believe, so perhaps staff there may be able to help.

Thank you for your help.
All the best
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Re: Tracing Baby Christopher Bowes b. abt.1901-1903
« Reply #7 on: Monday 14 May 07 18:03 BST (UK) »

silly question but have you tried Infant (etc.) Bowes?
also not sureif this helps but foundlings were listed right at the end of the BMD index under unknown i know he was not a foundling but he may be unknown.


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Re: Tracing Baby Christopher Bowes b. abt.1901-1903
« Reply #8 on: Monday 14 May 07 18:19 BST (UK) »

Hi Toni*

Yep, I tried all the variations listed as forenames with Bowes as the surname, but no luck. There were a few came up but either the dates weren't anything like right or they were female.

I'll have another look through unknowns etc...
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« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 23 May 07 19:04 BST (UK) »

stillbirths were registered within 42 days and no later than three months at the hospital or district register office. Certified copies of registrations of stillbirths from 1 July 1927 can only be issued to parents with the Registrar Generals permission or if they are both dead to the siblings of a stillborn child. there are no indexes open to the public, so you will need to write to or phone the General Register Office for an application form. You will need to provide proof of relationship to the child and deaths of the parents if appropriate.


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Re: Tracing Baby Christopher Bowes b. abt.1901-1903
« Reply #10 on: Friday 25 May 07 11:02 BST (UK) »

Hi Toni

Thank you for getting back to me, I appreciate your help. The stillbirth register seems only to have started in 1927 so unfortunately won't help in tracing 'Christopher' as he was born 1900-1904. I think I've more or less explored all the possible avenues in relation to documentary evidence and there just isn't any!

Think my next stop must be Scarborough cemetery to see if they are able to trace anything. Presumably had Christopher been stillborn he would have been buried with someone and there would I expect be a record of this somewhere with the cemetery people. Am I right in thinking this?

Does anyone know if I might be able to write to them or email them with the details? It's quite a way to go just to ask a few questions!
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Re: Tracing Baby Christopher Bowes b. abt.1901-1903
« Reply #11 on: Friday 25 May 07 11:09 BST (UK) »

you could always phone them.

My nana was trying to look for graves which had no stone and the people at the cemetry were ever so helpful in helping her!

Woodlands Crematorium: 01723 372652

I cant find the number for the cemetry on Dean Rd in scarborough but im sure if you try woodlands first and have no joy then they may be able to give you other numbers to try!

Hope this helps!

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Re: Tracing Baby Christopher Bowes b. abt.1901-1903
« Reply #12 on: Friday 25 May 07 11:13 BST (UK) »

Hi

When I was in my local Achieves office, reading parish records, on the burials they had for example John Smith SB of Mary Smith, I read this to be baby John stillborn son of Mary Smith. I do not know if they do this in every parish, but were to be seen in the one I was reading.

Also, sadly, some still born children were buried along side other people that had died. In Linthorpe cemetery in Middlesbrough, a big stir was caused when this all came to light, and since, when I was there a couple of weeks ago, lots of new baby markers, I presume to mark the life of the little people that sadly passed away.

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Re: Tracing Baby Christopher Bowes b. abt.1901-1903
« Reply #13 on: Friday 25 May 07 15:31 BST (UK) »

Hi Emma,

Thank you for the information. I have phoned Woodlands and they have given me the email address to use to send them the full details. Have now done just that so fingers crossed! Thanks again

Hi Jane

Thank you for your comments. I haven't come across that in Parish registers although I have only looked at a couple. From what I have read they used to bury stillborn babies alongside an adult who had died, to look after them 'on their journey'; this seems to have been accepted practice. I'm sure some sort of record must have been kept though, there must surely have been some accountability even in the early 1900's! Thanks again

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Re: Tracing Baby Christopher Bowes b. abt.1901-1903
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 26 May 07 15:16 BST (UK) »

Hmmm.... Well that would have been great had the email address they gave me actually worked! Will have to ring back after the bank holiday or drop them a line! Roll Eyes

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