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hrjam
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Hi all I am new to this so hopefully I am on the right track I am trying to find the parents of Thomas Burgoine born 1859 I think in Mottram Cheshire ,in 1880 he married Elizabeth Robinson they resided at Stockport Rd Tellow Court 1. They had 1 son that I know of Frederick Burgoine born in 1883 , died 1943, buried in Hyde.
Any help would be immensely appreciated as I have hit a wall Thanks
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cath151
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Hi,
Welcome to rootschat.
Looking at the birth indexes on ancestry i can t find a Thomas in 1859 but there is the following..
JFM 1857
Thomas Mottram Baron Burgoine
Stockport 8a 10
Stockport includes Hyde, Cheshire.
If you think it may be him i can give you entries for the 1861 and 1871 censuses with his parents Frederick and Sarah.
The name Mottram might suggest it is him and also the name Frederick but things are nt always that simple!
If you are sure of his marriage it might be worth getting the marriage certificate,to find his fathers name.Certificates only cost £7 and are available from the GRO over the net.
Best wishes
Cathy
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millymcb
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I think this is him at that address with Elizabeth in 1881. Birth place given as Hyde not Mottram (but I notice that birth ref Cath has given gives a middle name of Mottram)
1881 Census
Thomas Burgoin age 22 b Hyde Cheshire
Address: Stockport Rd Tetlow Court 1
Elizabeth Burgoin 20 stone mason
Thomas Burgoin 22 cotton weaver
RG11/3469/43 p 28
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McBride (Monaghan & Manchester), Derbyshire (Bollington,Cheshire), Knight (Newcastle,Staffs), Smith (Chorley, Lancashire & Ireland), Tipladay (Manchester & Yorkshire) ,Steadman (Madeley,Shropshire), Steele (Manchester & Glasgow), Parkinson (Wigan, Lancashire), Lovatt, Cornes & Turner (Staffordshire) Stott (Oldham, Lancs). All ended up in Ardwick, Manchester - in Cotton Mills, Iron Works, or running pubs and corner shops. Census informatio is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.g |
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millymcb
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And another possibility in 1901 with son Frederick and other children. This time the birth place is Gee Cross which I believe is part of Hyde.
What great occupations they all have
1901 England Census
Born 1857, Gee Cross, Cheshire, England
Address 8 Smithy Fold, Hyde
Thomas Burgoyne 44 STONE MASON
Elizabeth Burgoyne 41
John Burgoyne 19 COTTON WEAVER
Fred Burgoyne 17 felt hatter body maker?
Ethel Burgoyne 15 Artifical Flower Maker
Maggie Burgoyne 6
William Burgoyne 1
RG13/3283/134 p 25
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McBride (Monaghan & Manchester), Derbyshire (Bollington,Cheshire), Knight (Newcastle,Staffs), Smith (Chorley, Lancashire & Ireland), Tipladay (Manchester & Yorkshire) ,Steadman (Madeley,Shropshire), Steele (Manchester & Glasgow), Parkinson (Wigan, Lancashire), Lovatt, Cornes & Turner (Staffordshire) Stott (Oldham, Lancs). All ended up in Ardwick, Manchester - in Cotton Mills, Iron Works, or running pubs and corner shops. Census informatio is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.g |
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peterbennett
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Hi
Frederick Burgoine married Sarah Baron at Mottram in Longdendale, St. Michael 1851.
see http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/
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cath151
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Hi both,
That info ties in nicely with the earlier censuses
1861 Gee Cross, Werneth, Hyde RG9/2559 125/10
Frederic Burguine head mar 34 Stonemason Cheshire, Werneth
Sarah " wife mar 31 Power loom weaver cotton " "
Hannah " dau 9 Scholar " "
Amelia " dau 6 " " "
Thomas M B " son 4 " " "
1871Werneth, Hyde.Rg10/3652 76/23
I can t read the address but it is next to Stockport Road.
Frederick Burgoin head 44 Stonemason Cheshire, Werneth
Sarah " wife 41 " "
Hannah " dau 18 Cotton twister " "
Amelia " dau 15 Cotton weaver " "
Thomas M B " son 14 Cork cutter? " "
Fred " son 1 " "
Maggie " dau 5 mos " "
Big gap betweem Thomas and Fred, perhaps there were other children who didnt survive?
Best wishes
Cathy
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millymcb
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And in 1891...
1891 England Census
Born abt 1855 Hyde, Cheshire, England
Address:Smith F??d (possibly Smithy Fold again)
Thomas Burgoyn 36 stone mason
Elizabeth Burgoyn 30 cotton weaver
John Burgoyn 9
Fred Burgoyn 8
Ethel Burgoyn 6
RG12/2791/151 p 49
AND LIVING NEXT DOOR ARE
Frederick a retired Stone Mason, his wife Sarah and some more children
1891 Census
Fredrick Burgoin 63 RETIRED STONE MASON HEAD (Born Werneth, Cheshire)
Sarah Burgoin 60 (Born Hyde) WIFE
Hannah Burgoin 38 COTTON TWISTER? (Born Hyde) DAUGHTER
Fred Burgoin 21 BOBBIN CARRIER (Born Hyde) SON
Maggie Burgoin 20 COTTON REELER (Born Hyde) DAUGHTER
Violet Burgoyn 6 (Born Hyde) GRANDDAUGHTER
RG12/ 2791/151 p49
It says Maggie is a daughter but possibly Fred and Maggie are married with child Violet.
It all sounds like the people you are after and matches with the info from Cath - but I agree with Cath that getting the certificate and confirming the parents would be the safest thing to do..
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millymcb
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Yes that does appear to be a big gap before Maggie and William come along... I checked the original and they are down as son and daughter with those ages - all born Hyde.
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peterbennett
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All good work team but I can't help but wonder who is "Langford Thomas " in the title of the request.
Anyway lets press on.
1841 census HO107-114-6-F38-Page9 Gee Cross Werneth Hyde
James Burgoine 40 stone mason All born in county
Betty 38
William 15 stone mason
Frederick 13
Thomas 11
James 9
And a marriage at St Mary Stockport dated 31/May/1824 between James Burgoine and a Betty Oldham.
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millymcb
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This one is interesting..It has father James born in Nottingham
1851 England Census
Address, Stockport Road, Werneth (houses either side called Gee Cross Fold and Gee Cross)
James Burgoyne 52 (1799) Builder, Nottingham
Betty Burgoyne 49 Hyde
William Burgoyne 25 Stone mason, Hyde
Fredrick Burgoyne 24 Werneth
Thomas Burgoyne 21 Werneth
James Burgoyne 18 Werneth
HO107; Piece: 2154; Folio: 653; Page: 35; GSU roll: 87128-87129
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peterbennett
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Just checked the 1841 again and it definitely says born in county.
But If I had to bet on one of them being right it would be Nottingham.
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millymcb
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It was quite clearly written as Nottingham so unless it was an original mistake then it would seem likely (unless old James was just being mischievous!  )
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hrjam
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Thanks to all for your input, I am not sure if Mottram was his middle name but anything is a possibility I was originaly given his birth date as 1849 until I had found his marriage which states he was born about 1859, his marriage took place at Portwood St Paul and the spelling of his surname on this record was Burgoine so I am thinking that would also be the spelling on his birth record. I had found him and Elizabeth in the 1881 census and I am sure they are the Stockport Rd Tellow Crt1 Burgoines. Frederick Burgoine was born 1883 and he married Clara Anne or Annie Langford.
Cath 151 it would be great if you could post the 1861/ 1871 census entries
Thanks so much for your time and help Heidi
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millymcb
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Hi all...just had a thought and checked for their burials...
If you go to ...
http://public.tameside.gov.uk/candc/regenq.asp
you can search on the surname and you will find a grave for Frederick buried with Clara Ann at Hyde Cemetery.
25/5/1943 Frederick Burgoine 59 Years
13/2/1929 Clara Annie Burgoine 46 Years
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hrjam
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Thanks heaps for that information on the grave I hadn't known exactly when they were buried I will have a look at that site. Also Peter thanks for pointing out that I have put Thomas langford in the request for Thomas Burgoine.Thomas was Clara Annies father and Thomas was Fredericks father I must have been a little confused I have so many names running through my head. Thanks Heidi
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