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Nessie56
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I have found out that my grt grt Grandmother had a child in 1849. she was married in 1853 in the Parish of St Thomas they were both living in Church St at the time of marriage.
Her name was Ann Baylis and she married a George Day. Her child born in 1849 was a John Looker and the father was also John Looker (Solicitor). I have tried to find Ann and her son on the 1851 Census, but I can't seem to find them. (Ann D.O.B 1828). I would also like to find information on the Father if possible? .
I found John on the 1861 Census living with his mother his name was John Looker Baylis Day.
Would appreciate any help
Nessie
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patrish
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Hi Nessie,
Do you think this could be the father in 1851, living Oxfordshire.
John Looker 55 widower Attorney at Law b Oxfordshire. if so I wil post the details.
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this information is Crown Copyright. from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk London Hall, Thurston Stanley, Phillips, Ayrton, White, Morrish, Smith. West Ham/Barking Saint,Briggs, Essex Barker, Hampshire Kill, Kent Spong, U.S.A Earp, Scotland/Cumbria Templeton, Devon Morrish, Chudley |
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Nessie56
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It could possible be him. I only have his name on the birth certificate.
It would be great if you could post the details. Thank you for your help.
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ok here we are, the occupation is correct 
1851 HO107/1730/414/15
No address, living Kidlington, Oxford.
John Looker 55 widower Attorney at Law, b Oxfordshire, St Mary Staining
Sarah B dau 22
Richard B son 19
Fanny B.W dau 17
Elizabeth B dau 15
Lucy B dau 13
Thomas K.B son 12
I would hazzard a guess by all the middle names down as B that was his wifes maiden name, will see if they are around in 41.
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this information is Crown Copyright. from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk London Hall, Thurston Stanley, Phillips, Ayrton, White, Morrish, Smith. West Ham/Barking Saint,Briggs, Essex Barker, Hampshire Kill, Kent Spong, U.S.A Earp, Scotland/Cumbria Templeton, Devon Morrish, Chudley |
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I would hazzard a guess by all the middle names down as B that was his wifes maiden name, will see if they are around in 41.
Possibly Mary Ann Beckinsale, who married a John Looker 25 Dec 1824 Bampton, Oxford per IGI (extracted)
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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this information is Crown Copyright. from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk London Hall, Thurston Stanley, Phillips, Ayrton, White, Morrish, Smith. West Ham/Barking Saint,Briggs, Essex Barker, Hampshire Kill, Kent Spong, U.S.A Earp, Scotland/Cumbria Templeton, Devon Morrish, Chudley |
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Nessie56
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Thanks again for your help.
The address on the birth certificate is 10 Meards Court if thats any help.
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Do you know for certian that the child John Looker was born in 1849 as I cant find him on the complete bmd index for that year.
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this information is Crown Copyright. from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk London Hall, Thurston Stanley, Phillips, Ayrton, White, Morrish, Smith. West Ham/Barking Saint,Briggs, Essex Barker, Hampshire Kill, Kent Spong, U.S.A Earp, Scotland/Cumbria Templeton, Devon Morrish, Chudley |
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There's a John Looker BAYLISS registered Mar 1850 Strand 1 384 - presumably could have been born at the tail end of 1849. Why he's registered in London I don't know - thought we were looking for an Oxfordshire-born child
Anna
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« Last Edit: Saturday 05 May 07 10:16 BST (UK) by avm228 »
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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The address on the birth certificate is 10 Meards Court if thats any help.
OK then - Meards Court is in Soho in central London. I've been looking in Oxford/Kidlington in 1851 - no wonder I couldn't find them!
Anna
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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Surely that must be him, those names are too much of a co- incidence , I had just spotted that also.
Perhaps as he was illegitimate she went to London to have the child.
Still cant see them in 51 though
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this information is Crown Copyright. from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk London Hall, Thurston Stanley, Phillips, Ayrton, White, Morrish, Smith. West Ham/Barking Saint,Briggs, Essex Barker, Hampshire Kill, Kent Spong, U.S.A Earp, Scotland/Cumbria Templeton, Devon Morrish, Chudley |
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Nessie56
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Sorry my fault he was born 1849 but registered in 1850. I don't have a clue about Oxfordshire and it's where abouts, I live in Lancashire.
I'm new to finding my family so I do tend to confuse people.
Sorry.
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Nessie56
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Off to bed now, sorry for the confusion. 
Thanks again for your help. Its the first time I have been on this site. I will check in again tomorrow night.
Kind regards
Nessie
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Hi all 
Do you know Ann's mother's name, Ness?
Here is a possible:
1851
HO107/1728 386 23
Oxford St Thomas
High Street
Frances Baylis, head, wid, 43, Domestic Duties, b. Oxon Oxford
Maria, dau, 17, Needlewoman, b. do.
Emma, dau, 11, scholar, b. do.
John, grandson, 1, b. London
and Ann:
HO107/1501 160 55
Islington, Middlesex
29 Clarence Street
in the household of John Windsor, 39, Card Maker
Ann Bayliss, serv, unm, 24, House Servant, b. Oxford
Tanja
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Oh, that's a good find, Tanja
There's a Fanny Bayliss in St Thomas, Oxford, in 1841 with children:
Fanny Bayliss 33
John do 9
Emma do 7
Amelia do 5
Maria do 2
all born in county
HO107/891 folio 29 p9
No Ann with them, unfortunately. If this is the same family as in 1851 the children are a bit forgetful about their ages (or perhaps the enumerator has got Maria and Emma muddled up )
Anna
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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