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wdurham
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Thanks for that, David!
There are only a couple of Nathaniels on the IGI from Derbyshire - this one looks like a relation, as Chinley and Hayfield are up in the Peak District, less than two miles apart and the baptism was in an Independent church:
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Charles was certainly in Derbyshire at the time, as he married Elizabeth Collier in 1742 in Sawley, and had two children by her, Thomas and Christian. She was the daughter of the Rev Mr Collier of Sawley. He then married Althamia in Bowden, Leicestershire, and went back to Sawley, where their first child was born. They then moved to Steppingley in Beds where the rest of their children were born.
However, uncannily, Charles' second child with Elizabeth, Christian, was baptised on 24 February 1744......but Sawley is a long way from Hayfield and Christian was a girl!
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Willson & Pell in Faversham, Egerton, Folkestone in Kent
Cornhill in Kent, Devon and Wokingham, Berks
Cadmans & Kings in Isleham, Cambs
Swan, Gregory, Smith & Mingay in the Burrough Green/Westley area of Cambs
Armstrong & Chandler in Bedford
Abbott/Abbit in Witham, Essex
Davies/Davis in Islington & Hackney
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wdurham
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John-P -
Thanks for the info re: the Shotley Taxpayers which you have explained on the Partridge thread here:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,237667.15.html
I have been researching the "posh" Armstrongs to try to find a link with our Ag Labs, and Charles Armstrong came up as a Shotley taxpayer on Ancestry in the Beds Parish & Probate records....a totally garbled entry of which I could make no sense till I googled "Shotley taxpayers" and came up with your above thread!
Following your explanation, from the following entries:
A157 Armstrong, Chas., yeoman Houghton Conquest 21 01 Feb 1783 L 33 B261 -
L 33 Larkin, Sarah Houghton Conquest - - A157 B261 -
B261 Bond, Stephen, dairyman Biddenham - - - - A157, L??
- I derived the information that Charles Armstrong, yeoman of Houghton Conquest, (aged? over?) 21, applied for a marriage licence on 01 Feb 1783. His intended was Sarah Larkin, and bondsman was a Stephen Bond.
According to the IGI, Charles Armstrong married Sarah Larkin or Larkinson on 25 May 1783. A big gap between application and marriage? Was this common, I wonder?
However, that's not my point.
This particular Charles could be one of two people, and it's important to know which!
He could be the son of Charles 1712 and Althamia Armstrong, b 1750 in Steppingley. Although both Burkes and a history of the family written in 1775 state that all Charles and Althamia's children died in infancy.
Alternatively he could be the the illegitimate Charles Armstrong alias Barton who may have been born to Charles 1712 and Mary Barton before they married in Graffham in 1759. Certainly Charles 1712 and Mary Barton were "fornicating" before their marriage (Mary was given penances by the church!), and something happened in 1758 which caused Charles 1712's mother to cut him out of her will.
Charles Armstrong alias Barton is named in Charles 1712's will as the son of Mary his wife, who was to have the residue of the Graffham estate to him and his heirs forever, once Mary had paid her bills and supported the rest of "her family". He is not mentioned as being a minor. Charles 1712's 5 children by Mary within their marriage were all left specific legacies - John got the HC estates, Philip named farms in Graffham, and the three girls - Frances, Althamia and Mary - got money to be paid when they came of age. All five children were minors.
After the death of Charles 1712 in 1780, it seems that Mary and her family moved to Houghton Conquest, as she was to have possession of the lands there until John reached his majority. Her daughter Althamia (another Shotley taxpayer!) married George Townsend of Wrestlingworth in HC in April 1783, just weeks before the marriage of Charles to Sarah.
Would some kind soul who might have access to the Houghton Conquest records look up the marriage of Charles and Sarah in 1783 and see if there is any further information on the record which might give an age for Charles or perhaps even his parentage? If he was indeed 21 in 1783 as the "Shotley" record suggests, that puts his birth at around 1762, and I am then at a loss to know who the hell he was! If the "21" simply meant he was OVER 21, then he could have been born at any time. Sarah's probable burial in Graffham aged 77 in 1836 puts her birth at 1759. Charles' probable burial in Graffham in 1800 gives no age, sadly.
Separately, and I will put it here although it belongs on the Hunts board, because it's all related, I am looking for children born to James Measures and Aolti Mira Armstrong in Ellington between 1812 and 1833. I have three of them - Aolti Mira Measures, Elizabeth Measures, and James Measures. These are all member entries on the IGI, but have precise dates so are probably correct. I suspect there may have been at least one other son born about 1818.
Would the BVRI help, David?  David, I have now done what I SHOULD have done in the first instance, and found the answer to this on the Hunts thread! Please disregard!
Thanks to anyone who can cast any light....
Wendy
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Willson & Pell in Faversham, Egerton, Folkestone in Kent
Cornhill in Kent, Devon and Wokingham, Berks
Cadmans & Kings in Isleham, Cambs
Swan, Gregory, Smith & Mingay in the Burrough Green/Westley area of Cambs
Armstrong & Chandler in Bedford
Abbott/Abbit in Witham, Essex
Davies/Davis in Islington & Hackney
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