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Opinions please, Is this him??
« on: Sunday 06 May 07 01:19 BST (UK) »

In my tree I have John Taylo(e)rson, born, from census data (not inc 1841) between 1824 and 1828, I do not have his marriage cert yet, he married Margaret Turner between the 41 and 51 census'

I looked into him a while ago and thought he came from Lythe near Whitby, but the census place where born details are nowhere near.  On one (51) his sister Ann is with them and birthplace is Brunton, another Branton.

Browsing the IGI last night I found a John Taylerson born Brompton by Northallerton, and he had a sister Ann, so........what do you think? Is this him?
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Re: Opinions please, Is this him??
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 06 May 07 01:34 BST (UK) »

Would you like to give the census ref nos. so we can look at the birthplaces?

Barbara
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Re: Opinions please, Is this him??
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 06 May 07 02:03 BST (UK) »

They are not very good printouts I have

51 is Ref 107/2391 Sherburn House Durham, he is 'or' on that one

61 is Ref RG9/3742 St Giles Belmont Durham, he is 'er' on that one

neither look like Brompton, but do sound like it, nothing like Lythe however.

71, Brunton again, RG10/4930 Coundon Durham (it says he's 48)

I found him on the 1881 too (apparently aged 54!)  RG11 4958/18 page 29,  the enumerator must have mixed him and his wife up, as it says Benton for her and Stockton for him, he's the ?Benton and she was born in Stainton!
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Re: Opinions please, Is this him??
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 06 May 07 02:19 BST (UK) »

I think it's Brunton, near Brompton - nowhere near Lythe.  The Brompton baptisms look good to me

The John Taylorson from Lythe 1841 seems to have married an Elizabeth and I found them in later census, so I'm fairly
sure he's not your John.

Did he later marry again to an Elizabeth?I saw a John Taylorson & Elizabeth in 1891, he was born Brompton, she was born Seaton, Cumberland.

Off to bed now, will look for him in 1841 tomorrow,
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Re: Opinions please, Is this him??
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 06 May 07 02:24 BST (UK) »

Thanks Barbara,

I don't know if he married later, that's something to investigate, I don't have census access unless I bite the bullet and go for the 12 lookups for £7 on ancestry and they go pretty quickly!

So thank you for all your help it's much appreciated.   Smiley
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Re: Opinions please, Is this him??
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 06 May 07 03:22 BST (UK) »

Madpants

I have access to all the available census ( not 1911 of course ) via Ancestry UK.  Please let me know if I can look for someone for you.  Happy to help.

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Re: Opinions please, Is this him??
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 06 May 07 10:10 BST (UK) »

Hi Madpants,

A Margaret Taylorson died in Dec Quarter 1881 Durham 10a 184 aged 62 - Durham district covers Tudhoe where they were in 1881 so it's a possibility.

Then there's a marriage for a John Taylorson in March Qu 1883 Durham 10a 471 with an Elizabeth Forbes on same page....

1881 details:  RG11/4958 fol.18 p.29 58 Bishop's Close Row, Tudhoe
Jno. Taylorson head mar 54 Labourer Stockton Yorkshire
Margt.    "        wife     "   59                 Benton        "
Margt.    "        dau   unm 20 Domestic Servt  Dragonville, Durham

The 1891 census details I found were:
RG12/4072 fol.141 p.9  78 & 79 George St, Whitworth, Spennymoor
John Taylorson head mar 68 Lodging House Keeper Yorks Brompton
Elizabeth  "      wife    "    68                         Cumberland Seaton

Will check other census for this couple to make sure it's a possibility  Huh

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Re: Opinions please, Is this him??
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 06 May 07 10:22 BST (UK) »

There's a John & Elizabeth Forbes living in Tudhoe in 1881 she's 61 he's 64 (RG11/4957 fol.87 p.23) and a death for a John Forbes Sep 1882 Durham 10a 196 aged 65 ....

didn't find this couple in 1891 so it could well be that John Forbes died and John Taylorson married Elizabeth

Karenlee, if you'd like to help find John Taylorson in 1841 - I'm having a struggle with that!

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Re: Opinions please, Is this him??
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 06 May 07 10:52 BST (UK) »

In 1841 a family which looks very likely to be the IGI family is at Brompton by Northallerton:

Jno Taylorson 45 weaver
Amelia do 45
Jno do 14
Elizth do 12
Ann do 10
Sarah do 6
David do 5
Amelia do 4

all except John senior born in county

HO 107/1233 bk 10 folio 10 p12

Interesting that son John is 14 - suggests that he was not an infant at his 1830 baptism.  The age, if 1841 is right, appears to tie in well with the John you are interested in.


Modified to add: I recommend searching under the page reference I've cited above and the first name "David" or "Amelia", as the transcription above is my own and may not correspond with that used by the various sites providing census access.

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Re: Opinions please, Is this him??
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 06 May 07 11:09 BST (UK) »

If using Ancestry, John is transcribed as Jno Taylorsoz Huh
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Re: Opinions please, Is this him??
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 06 May 07 11:13 BST (UK) »

If using Ancestry, John is transcribed as Jno Taylorsoz Huh

I was trying to hint without actually saying that Wink  I got into trouble on here once for citing an Ancestry mistranscription - I guess they own the copyright over the transcription.

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Re: Opinions please, Is this him??
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 06 May 07 11:30 BST (UK) »

Wow you've been really busy while I was in bed!!!

Thank you everyone, the soz explains why I didn't see him when I looked many moons ago and only found the Lythe possibility.  The possibility of him being older when christened is good as he was 25th Feb 1830 and his sister Ann 24th Oct 1830!  It's pushing it slightly if they were both babies.

From the list I got from the IGI Elizabeth is an extra on the census (not transcribed or christened i would think), the only one missing is Robert, he was christened 1825, Is he dead or moved out I wonder.

It certaintly does look like he married again Barbara,thank you for finding those details, (yet more certificates to go on the ever growing list for when I have a spare several hundred pounds  Undecided)

Thank you again everyone  Kiss
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Re: Opinions please, Is this him??
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 06 May 07 11:39 BST (UK) »


the only one missing is Robert, he was christened 1825, Is he dead or moved out I wonder.


There's a possible Robert in service in Osmotherley

HO107/1234 book 1 (incomplete ref)

Search tip: Robert Tay* b 1826 using the above reference

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Re: Opinions please, Is this him??
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 06 May 07 11:51 BST (UK) »

If using Ancestry, John is transcribed as Jno Taylorsoz Huh

Well spotted Anna & Katherinem -  I had tried Tayl*n etc for surname but didn't think to leave the last letter off - excellent   
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Re: Opinions please, Is this him??
« Reply #14 on: Monday 07 May 07 17:04 BST (UK) »

 Huge thanks for your help once more, the general consensus is that Brompton John is the correct one.....phew, I think I found him.  Now I'll have to see if he married again.  Once you start looking relations just start crawling out of the woodwork! Wink
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