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andrea_mc
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i am trying to find out more about joseph tomlin /tomblin
i have william tomblin married to ruth bignall
13 jun 1835
from census records i have an approx date of birth for william
1814 from GT Missenden
i have found a christenning on the IGI
8 jun 1813 LEE parents joseph and Elizabeth tomlin
which i thought might be my william
on 1841 the only joseph i can find
is
on 1841 census
lee common
joseph 55 ag lab
ann 50
elizabeth 15
john 12
i think the wife is Ann(e) brown married to joseph 1810 LEE
so i am not sure if this is my joseph tomlin
or if it is a different one
this joseph appears to have other children on IGI
Moses 1815
job 1818
mary 1821
and elizabeth 1825 ( mentioned on above census )
But i cant find a william
Does the marriage of william and ruth bignall have any clues
ie witnesses to help me find out who williams parents were
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Lincslass
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The Lee is less than two miles from Gt Miss. So it is quite plausible for the 1814 one to be correct. But there are numerous Tomlins in Gt Miss and very few in Lee
I'll have a quick look when I nip in to the RO later today and see is there is anything on the marriage that gives any clues.
Jo
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Lincslass
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I had a few spare minutes today so nipped into the RO and checked the marriage of William in 1835. There are no further clues as to his parentage and I didn't have time to check the baptisms today. But the marriage cert does say "with parents consent" which is not on any other entry. So assume they are quite young when married. It also says BOTP
I'll check for the baptsim next time I go for all Tomlins in Gt Miss.
Jo
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andrea_mc
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hi
i have ruths christenning as
as 14 jun 1817 gt missenden
Parents Rachael Channer and richard bignall
so she would have been 18
andrea
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Valda
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On the 1851 census the two families were living very close to each other (3 households away)
1851 census HO107 1717 folio 47b
Lee Common Great Missenden Buckinghamshire
William Tomlin 37 Great Missenden, Buckinghamshire, Head Married Ag lab
Ruth Tomlin 33 Great Missenden, Buckinghamshire, Wife Married
Alfred Tomlin 15 Wendover, Buckinghamshire, Son Ag lab
Richard Tomlin 13 Lee, Buckinghamshire, Son Ag lab
William Tomlin 11 Lee, Buckinghamshire, Son Ag lab
Rachael Tomlin 8 Lee, Buckinghamshire, Daughter
Joseph Tomlin 1 Great Missenden, Buckinghamshire, Son
1851 census HO107 1717 folio 48
Lee Common Great Missenden Buckinghamshire
Joseph Tomlin 67 Wendover, Buckinghamshire, Head Married Ag lab
Ann Tomlin 59 Wendover, Buckinghamshire, Wife Married
Joseph Tomlin 24 Great Missenden, Buckinghamshire, Son
John Tomlin 21 Great Missenden, Buckinghamshire, Son
All the other children's baptisms are Joseph and Ann
JOHN TOMLIN
Christening: 06 SEP 1829 Great Missenden, Buckingham
Father: JOSEPH TOMLIN
Mother: ANN
ELIZABETH TOMLIN
Christening: 08 FEB 1825 Great Missenden, Buckingham
Father: JOSEPH TOMLIN
Mother: ANN
MARY TOMLIN
Christening: 16 MAY 1821 Great Missenden, Buckingham
Father: JOSEPH TOMLIN
Mother: ANN
MOSES TOMLINS
Christening: 19 DEC 1815 Lee, Buckingham
Father: JOSEPH TOMLINS
Mother: ANNE
It could be that William's baptism mother is wrongly indexed on the IGI or the possible 'mistake' is in the baptism register itself. It might be worth checking both the Lee register for William's baptism and if the Bishops Transcripts exist for that year checking them as well to see if the entries are identical.
If William was under age on his marriage then the fact the register says with consent means permission was given for the marriage. Who gave the permission should be in the marriage banns book if that has survived for Great Missenden for this period, or if the marriage was by licence - marriage allegations for Buckinghamshire, which are indexed at the record office.
William and his family were in Church Street Lee on the 1841 census.
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Valda
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andrea_mc
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hi
thank you very much
i had not yet found them on 1851 census.
i too was not sure what to make of the entries
and wondered if IGI is right as the only records (ie census) i could see were joseph and ann
with no other joseph and sarah records .
william could fit in as joseph and ann brown married 1810 and from 1841, and 1851 census we might only have the younder children.
andrea
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Lincslass
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I checked the PRs today 1804 to 1815 and the baptisms for the William is as per IGI as Joseph (Labourer) and Elizabeth 8/6/1813 and Moses is correct for Joseph and Anne 19/12/1815. I checked for burials to see if there were any burials around that time and there were none.
There was also the following children in Lee born to William (Shoemaker) and Sarah
Joseph 6/4/1813
Elizabeth 15/5/1807
John 16/2/1804.
No real lead really I'm afraid but at least the IGI is as per PRs.
Jo
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Valda
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'If William was under age on his marriage then the fact the register says with consent means permission was given for the marriage. Who gave the permission should be in the marriage banns book'
You would expect consent to have been given by William's father and listed as such in the banns book.
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Valda
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