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Ann Baker
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Hi jen
I have found confirmation of the marriage in Scotland;s People
12/07/1806 ROBERTSON CHRISTIAN WILLIAM DANIEL/ F Peterhead /ABERDEEN 232/ 0020 0366
This is an OPR entry and parents names are not on it as this wasn't a requirement pre 1855. William is listed as living in Cruden but the marriage was in Peterhead which would have been the bride's parish.
If you have Christian's death cert her parents will be on it and you can use this to search for the parents marriage.
Christian's birth is not recorded on the OPR baptisms in Scotland. This is a common problem as unless anythimng other than Established Church of Scotland won't be there. Also have checked for sibling but nothing there cos sometimes they had all the children baptised at once.
If James or Elizabeth died after 1955 then their death certs would have their parents names on. There are no death records before that. Some churches do have records of the rent of the mort cloth but these are few and far between and you'd need to know the church.
Ann
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Torrens, Thompson - Tyrone & Fermanagh,Connolly, Campbell - Monaghan & Cavan, McGovern, Carroll, Orr - Ireland
Connolly, Fulton, Stirling, Cameron, McKellar, Robertson, McGovern, Torrance, Bisland, Fraser, Hamilton, O'Hara, McAusland, McTaggart , Lambie, Twedale, Hart, Clark(Paisley/Barrhead/Glasgow)
McGovern, Liddell - Falkirk
Mair, Muir, Carroll, Stewart, Law, Orr - Lanarkshire
Torrance - Brisbane
Connolly , Robertson- NSW
McGovan(?), Robertson , Agnew-
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Ann Baker
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Hi gen
If you know which Parish they were married it's worth seeing if there is a Family History Society.
The alternative is to have a look on IGI and if the record was extracted you can order the film via your neasest LDA FHC then you can go and have a look. If the record is submitted has to be treated with caution because it's not a direct copy where an extraction is.
Cheers
Ann
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Torrens, Thompson - Tyrone & Fermanagh,Connolly, Campbell - Monaghan & Cavan, McGovern, Carroll, Orr - Ireland
Connolly, Fulton, Stirling, Cameron, McKellar, Robertson, McGovern, Torrance, Bisland, Fraser, Hamilton, O'Hara, McAusland, McTaggart , Lambie, Twedale, Hart, Clark(Paisley/Barrhead/Glasgow)
McGovern, Liddell - Falkirk
Mair, Muir, Carroll, Stewart, Law, Orr - Lanarkshire
Torrance - Brisbane
Connolly , Robertson- NSW
McGovan(?), Robertson , Agnew-
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torrygirl
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I did find the date of birth or baptism for Christian Robertson in Cruden, Aberdeen, which is July 31, 1784. Unfortunately the mother's name is not noted, father being James Robertson. Film # 993178 I was really hoping the mother's name would be on it - sorry.
I found this info on www.scotsfind.org as my ancestors on my mother's side have the name Robertson and I happened to have it in my Favourites. If you look at the website, scroll down the menu on the left hand side until you see Robertson Geneology - Births & Baptisms.
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trishmac
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Hi Jen
I have a Barbara Robertson who was bap 19 Jun 1782 in Cruden, to James Robertson and Janet Daniel. I got this from her death certificate. She died Sept 1860 at Blakesmuir, Cruden.
I keep thinking there could be a connection but there is no way to be sure.
Some thoughts though:
Episcopalian OPRs for Cruden Parish exist. The Aberdeen and North-east Scotland Family History Society has a copy as does Cruden Library. I don't know whether they would do a look-up for you as the records are not indexed. I found some of 'mine' in there tho' I didn't think they were Episcopalian, particularly.
On freecen there is a Christian Daniel at Blackhills in 1851, aged 77 but her husband is William Daniel and she says she was born in Peterhead.
The ANESFHS hasn't got Cruden churchyard on their monumental inscription list yet. I did look at Slains, which is very near, but no luck.
You are right that Saint would be an unusual surname in Cruden at the time. There were some around the 1850's. It couldn't have been Daniels, could it? You know how old cursive script could be very swirly and I wonder if the D with a heavy downstroke and the loop to the left before going up to the right could look like an S?  Just hoping your Christian is related to my Barbara!
Trish
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Smith, Whitecross, Watson, Gibson, Thom, Jamieson, Sangster, Johnston, Reid, Robertson, Fidler, Arthur - mainly in Slains and Cruden. Park in Peterhead.
Mutch in Ellon/Belhelvie/Foveran. Robertson, Forbes in Ellon. Shivas in Ellon/Old Deer. Allan in Old Machar. Keith, Ironside in Old Deer. McKenzie , Brownie in Skene. Watson, Milne in Monquhitter/Lonmay. Shepherd in Belhelvie/Tarves.
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genjen
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Hi,
I can't tell you how much I should like to find that the name was something other than what it appears to be. Try as I might, I keep coming back to Sanith, which I then assume to be a mis-spelling of something else. The S at the beginning of the name is pretty much identical to that on "Senile Decay", the MS ( maiden surname) right next to the name and to the word "Single" on the entry above in the online record. I have tried to make the word say Daniel but it is nothing like the D of Daniel, her married name, in the first column. Also the second from last letter is definitely t, the cross bar also going over the last letter, which looks like h to me.
The other problem is that marriages to James Robertson at around the right time to be Christian's mother are to Mary Findley and Janet Daniel, whereas my woman was apparently an Elizabeth.
I have been round the churchyard outside Cruden and have found a few of my ancestors in there but I think it may be marginally too new to have James Robertson and whoever his wife was, in it.
Much as I love my Scottish ancestry, there are times when I wish registration had begun at the same time as in England. With the Scots method of naming parents, that would have solved a geat many more problem ancestors for me!
Here is silly thing which I have just considered. I don't have the full death certificate for Christian, just the image in the register, which I downloaded from Scotland's People. If I stop being such a tight fisted Yorkshire/Scot and sent for the actual certificate, this whole problem could sort itself in seconds. It is entirely possible that a different person will have written that and even if they didn't it may be clearer.
Why didn't I think of that earlier?
Watch this space!
Jen
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Essex: Howe French Cant Annis Noakes Turner Marshall Makerow DUCK Spurden HARMONY
N.E.Scotland: Howe Shaw Raitt Milne Forsyth Birnie Crichton Duncan McBeath Daniel Hay Robertson Jaffrey Smith McDonald Alexander Craighead
NR Yorks: Bushby Smith Bland Iley Cunion Kendrew Thornbury Favell Lonsdale Crossland Rudd Pratt Gibson
Westmorland: Dickenson, Jackson Ewbank Waller
Staffs: White Knight
Surrey: Knight
Durham: Smith
Hants: Williams Grose Lush Venson
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trishmac
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Hi Jen
Yes, I know, you start going round in circles, don't you, when you are stuck.
In my post I meant to say re. the 1851 census return 'and she was married to William but she says she was born in Peterhead'.
This would fit with Ann's post re the Peterhead marriage and therefore Peterhead being Christian's parish. However, I note that there is a big gap in the Peterhead OPRs of 32 years of marriage records, from 1764 to 1796, so no sign of James & Margaret's marriage.
There is one birth to a James Robertson in Peterhead: Margarita Anne Robertson Jul 1799. A little sister? Margarita! A bit exotic for Peterhead, but if mum's name was Margaret....
Now, if you could find Margarita's Death Cert...
Trish
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Smith, Whitecross, Watson, Gibson, Thom, Jamieson, Sangster, Johnston, Reid, Robertson, Fidler, Arthur - mainly in Slains and Cruden. Park in Peterhead.
Mutch in Ellon/Belhelvie/Foveran. Robertson, Forbes in Ellon. Shivas in Ellon/Old Deer. Allan in Old Machar. Keith, Ironside in Old Deer. McKenzie , Brownie in Skene. Watson, Milne in Monquhitter/Lonmay. Shepherd in Belhelvie/Tarves.
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JAP
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Jen,
Could you post the relevant section of the death certificate here so we can all try?
However, if it's just a matter of the word being so faint as to be illegible, your best bet is to submit a Contact Form to SP. In my experience, they will promptly post out a beautifully legible paper copy at no cost to you.
JAP
Added later. PS: Christian is listed as 65 (rounded down to nearest five) in 1841, and 77 in 1851. This suggests a birthdate of 1774. As mentioned above, her birthplace is listed in 1851 as Peterhead (William's is listed as Cruden). What does the 1861 census give as her age and birthplace, and what is her age on the death cert.
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Scotland - HALL, HARLEY, LOCHTY/LOCHTIE/LOUGHTIE/LOUGHTY (very rare), MCLAUSE/MCLAWS/MCILHOSE/HOSE (quite rare and many very variable spellings - close to 100 to date), PHILP/PHILIP, VASSIE; Ireland - BOURKE/BURKE, DONOHUE (many spellings), DOOLEY, KINSELLA, MAXWELL, OSBORNE, RAFFERTY, STA(U)NTON, SULLIVAN; England - BAYES, BROWNELL, DALTON, FREEMAN, HACKING, PIERCY, SIDDLE, SWIFT, SULLIVAN, TINK(L)ER, TRIPPIT. Any spellings and many other names!
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genjen
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Hi,
I have tried to post a section of the death entry but the format is wrong for this site so I shall have to try to do something about that.
I am now thinking that I have the wrong birth record for Christian and that she was in fact born in 1774 and not 1784, as I have in my records.
She was said to be ninety-two when she died in 1866.
In 1861 she was eighty-seven and that with all other census entries gives 1774 the more likely date.
I have been tidying up my incredibly messy files and found what I thought was an exciting hand-written note, which I made on a long past visit to ANESFHS, about an Alexander SANITH, living in Uppermill, Cruden in 1841. So I have just been onto Scotland's People and checked that census, to find that he was actually Alexander SMITH, 60, a miller, with wife and family. The writing on this entry is almost identical to that on Christian's death certificate and the Smith bit really does look like Sanith! It's a very ornate 'm' with three loops to it, the first of which curls under and looks like an 'a'.
He is still there in 1851, age 73, born in Logie Buchan and most definitely Smith.
So I am now looking for possible Smiths in either Cruden or Logie Buchan to see if there is an Elizabeth who might be the wife of James Robertson and mother of Christian.
Wish me luck.
Thanks for all your help - I'd be more than grateful for any more input on this, especially if I am doomed to have yet another Smith line in my family.
Jen
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Essex: Howe French Cant Annis Noakes Turner Marshall Makerow DUCK Spurden HARMONY
N.E.Scotland: Howe Shaw Raitt Milne Forsyth Birnie Crichton Duncan McBeath Daniel Hay Robertson Jaffrey Smith McDonald Alexander Craighead
NR Yorks: Bushby Smith Bland Iley Cunion Kendrew Thornbury Favell Lonsdale Crossland Rudd Pratt Gibson
Westmorland: Dickenson, Jackson Ewbank Waller
Staffs: White Knight
Surrey: Knight
Durham: Smith
Hants: Williams Grose Lush Venson
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