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Ninian
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I've trying to track William Roberts and his wife Margaret. I have them on the 1851 census living in Ty Newydd Gate, Llandecwyn with their first three children. William was born (c 1816) in Llandanwg and Margaret (c 1822) in Llanfihangel-y-Traethau. On their son Robert's birth certificate Margaret is named as 'Margaret Robert formerly Robert'.
i) does Margaret's name indicate her father's forename was Robert ? ... and if so do I have any chance of finding him? ... how do I find the right Robert as I don't know his surname? ...... where should I start?
ii) where should I look for their marriage? Their eldest child was 5 in 1851 so their marriage was probably 1845 or before.
iii) I can't find them in 1841 - I have found a William and Margaret Roberts in Llanfihangel-y-Pennant but both are aged 30 (born c 1811) and I think the ages as too far out.
ANY advice on any of these ... or any general advice on where to go what to do would be great.
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Roberts (Llandanwg, Llanfihangel y traethau, Ffestiniog, Merionydd); Jones (Bethesda, Caernarfonshire; Llandyfrydog, Angelsey); Jones, Davies (Bagillt, Holywell, Flintshire); Turner, Bardsley (Ashton, Lancashire); Fielding (Darley Dale, Derbyshire); Brockelbank (Louth, Lincolnshire); Allen (Ridgmont, Bedfordshire)
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daviesa
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Hello Ninian
Ive found this one on 1861 if correct family i will
look on 1841 for you.
RG9/4325
Canganaeu, Maentwrog, Merionethshire.
William Roberts 45 falmer 25 acres b. Llandanwg
Margaret ~ 39 wife b. Llanfihangel
Gwen ~ 15 dau b. Llanfair
Catherine ~ 12 dau b. Liandanwg
Ann ~ 10 dau b. Llandecwyn
Robert ~ 8 son b. Maestr--?
James ~ 5 son ~
Alison.
Excuse the spellings not familiar with welsh place names!
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Rose - Essex, Cheshire Davies - Flintshire, Cheshire Sainsbury - Gloucestershire, Cheshire, Anglesea Sampson - Norfolk,Suffolk,Chester Anguish - Norfolk, Suffolk, Chester Census information is crown copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Ninian
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I'm very grateful for a response, didn't think I was going to get anything.
Yes you've got the right family in 1851. I think I might have found William and Margaret in 1841 - but I'd be grateful for advice as to their ages. I know, cos of the rounding that occured in the 41 census, that the ages in 41 aren't too accurate but these seem way out. Do you think they are the right ones or not?
These are the ones I've found:
1841 Census - Llanfihangel Y Pennant, Merionethshire, Wales - HO107/1429/7/5/7
Forename Surname Age Occupation Born in County?
William ROBERTS 30 Farmer Yes
Margaret ROBERTS 30 - Yes
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Roberts (Llandanwg, Llanfihangel y traethau, Ffestiniog, Merionydd); Jones (Bethesda, Caernarfonshire; Llandyfrydog, Angelsey); Jones, Davies (Bagillt, Holywell, Flintshire); Turner, Bardsley (Ashton, Lancashire); Fielding (Darley Dale, Derbyshire); Brockelbank (Louth, Lincolnshire); Allen (Ridgmont, Bedfordshire)
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Ninian
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Ooops - pressed the wrong button and off it went before I'd finished!! (you can tell I'm just a learner)
Anyway, as I was saying .....
I think the age difference between the 2 censuses might be too great and Llanfihangel y pennant is quite a way away from Llandanwg and Llanfihangel y traethau. But I can't find any other possibilities.
I'm just going to have a look at and think about the marriages you found - I'll be back .......
P.S. You have Davieses in Flintshire/Cheshire, I see - not Davieses from Bagillt, Holywell I suppose?
Very grateful for you help
Ninian
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Roberts (Llandanwg, Llanfihangel y traethau, Ffestiniog, Merionydd); Jones (Bethesda, Caernarfonshire; Llandyfrydog, Angelsey); Jones, Davies (Bagillt, Holywell, Flintshire); Turner, Bardsley (Ashton, Lancashire); Fielding (Darley Dale, Derbyshire); Brockelbank (Louth, Lincolnshire); Allen (Ridgmont, Bedfordshire)
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Ninian
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Of the 2 possible marriages - I s'pose the 1842 one is (possibly) the most likely, as the first child Gwen was probably born in 1845 or very early 1846.
It's very encouraging that there are only 2 possibilities (that's if we can discount the 1841 census I found where they were married before 1841 - I suspect that if there might be more if the time scale widns to pre 1841). I've been trying to find the marriage of their son Robert to Anne Jones - there were 6 and not one was the correct one (I'm still looking!)
I'd been looking for Margaret Robert (not Roberts) as that was on the birth certif of her son Robert - but there aren't any in ffestiniog at the right time.
How do I find out which of the marriages is the right one, do you think? Although the 1841 seems more likely, it could be the 1846 one - and I don't have any details about either William or Margaret other than their ages which probably wouldn't be given on the marriage certif anyway. I had thought that as Margaret was Margaret Robert her father's forename was Robert but p'haps not, was Robertor Roberts his surname?
Oh gosh, where to go from here. Any advice gratefully received!
Ninian
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Roberts (Llandanwg, Llanfihangel y traethau, Ffestiniog, Merionydd); Jones (Bethesda, Caernarfonshire; Llandyfrydog, Angelsey); Jones, Davies (Bagillt, Holywell, Flintshire); Turner, Bardsley (Ashton, Lancashire); Fielding (Darley Dale, Derbyshire); Brockelbank (Louth, Lincolnshire); Allen (Ridgmont, Bedfordshire)
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daviesa
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Hello again
So far not found any Davies's in Bagillt or Holywell.
The details i posted were for 1861 sorry dont have
1851.
Will carry on searching later
Alison.
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Ninian
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Thanks for this.
I'm getting confused about the dates. So here's what I've got on the family:
1841 Census - Llanfihangel Y Pennant, Merionethshire, Wales - HO107/1429/7/5/7
Forename Surname Age Occupation Born in County?
William ROBERTS 30 Farmer Yes
Margaret ROBERTS 30 - Yes
1851 Census - Ty Newydd Gate, Maentwog, Wales - HO107/2512/139/9
William ROBERTS H 35 M Slate Quarry Lab Llandanwg, Merioneth
MargaretROBERTS W 29 M - Llanfihangel Trautha, Merionet
Gwen ROBERTS D 5 - - Llanfair, Merioneth
CatherineROBERTS D 2 - - Llandanwg, Merioneth
Ann ROBERTS D 5m - - Llandecwyn, Merioneth
Jane DAVIES Serv 16 - House Serv Llandanwg, Merioneth
Living at Fronheylog, Maentwrog in June 1853 (when Robert was born)
1861 Census - Canganaeu, Maentwog, Wales - RG9/4325/33/9
William ROBERTS H 45M Farmer of 25 Acres Llandecwyn, Merioneth
MargaretROBERTS W 39M - Llanfihangel, Merioneth
Gwen ROBERTS D 15- - Llanfair, Merioneth
CatherineROBERTS D 12- - Llandanwg, Merioneth
Anne ROBERTS D 10-- - Llandecwyn, Merioneth
Robert ROBERTS S 8- - Maentwog, Merioneth
James ROBERTS S 5- - Maentwog, Merioneth
- but I'm not at all happy about the 1841 info - I'm feeling more and more sure that it's not them. Would value your opinion on this and also on how I can start to find out which of the marriages is the more likely and how I would go about tracking them further back.
Sorry for all these questions but I've got a lot to learn!!
Ninian
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