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Reaybo M
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Howdy, Ive recently found a rellie on the 1851 census, it says she was born in Sandhurst around 1804, I know she was called Mary, but dont have a surname. All I know is she went on to marry a man called Emanuel Howell in Ashleworth, Gloucestershire just before 1822. She is living with him in the Gloucetershire 1851 census.
Would appreciate it if anybody has any info on her
Thanks
Matthew
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Durham : Reay, Coxon, Dixon
Newcastle Upon Tyne: Stothard/Stoddart
Cambridgeshire: Hatley, Coe, Flack, Linsdell, Kirby
Suffolk: Baker, Smith, Flatman
Cumbria: Peel, Scott, Askew
Gloucester: Wertheim, Westcott, Howell, Liles/Lyle/Lyle
Motherwell, Owens, Rice, Carey
Fife: Herd, Moyes, Rodger
County Tyrone: Owens, Fox, Downie
County Antrim: McGill/Magill
County Armagh: Quinn
County Donegal: McCartney
Glamorgan: Howell, Liles, Wertheim
Brecon: Griffiths
Merthyr Tydfil: Edwards
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bearkat
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Census Info. is Crown Copyright, from www.national
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I can't see anyting on the IGI.
I should ask for a marriage look up on the Gloucestershire board.
Once you know Mary's maiden name you will be able to look for her baptism in Sandhurst.
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Beaulieu/Boldre, Hants - Woodford, Croutear, Beck, Bendell, Keeping, Harding
Kent - Bayly, Borer, Mitchell, Plane, Vernon, Farrance, Chapman, Medhurst, Lomax, Wyatt
Devon - Tope, Bickford, Foster
YKS - Quirk, McGuire, Benn
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Hert - Barnes
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Reaybo M
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Howdy Vicwinnan.
OOOOO sounds likely to be my Emmanuel and Mary!
Thanks a million, all you peole are stars!
Regards
matthew 
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Durham : Reay, Coxon, Dixon
Newcastle Upon Tyne: Stothard/Stoddart
Cambridgeshire: Hatley, Coe, Flack, Linsdell, Kirby
Suffolk: Baker, Smith, Flatman
Cumbria: Peel, Scott, Askew
Gloucester: Wertheim, Westcott, Howell, Liles/Lyle/Lyle
Motherwell, Owens, Rice, Carey
Fife: Herd, Moyes, Rodger
County Tyrone: Owens, Fox, Downie
County Antrim: McGill/Magill
County Armagh: Quinn
County Donegal: McCartney
Glamorgan: Howell, Liles, Wertheim
Brecon: Griffiths
Merthyr Tydfil: Edwards
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rjknott
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I'm sure you will have found the IGI entry:
bap 24 July 1803 Sandhurst
Mary dau Benjamin and Margaret Barnes
With a name like Mary Barnes you should probably have more proof but it looks likely.
Margaret is still alive in 1851 (83, b Brockworth) living with her son Benjamin in Sandhurst.
Richard
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Fenning,Pudney,Wilson,Walker,Hine,Treeby,Knox,Butler
Jack,Carswell,Gardiner,Alexander,Gibb,Watson,Naismith,Telfer
Gray,Inglis,Gibb,Watson,Taylor,Taylor,Gaff,Henderson
Gayford,Clarke,Palmer,Jessup,Smart,Hutson,Lloyd,Northover
Ridley,Lee,?,Mingings,Moore,Colthart,Lawson,Hind
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Reaybo M
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Cheers Richard, Brockworth-another new place!! Is there any chance you could tell me where to find any record of Benjamin and Margaret's marriage record?
Regards and thanks for the info!
Regards
Matthew 
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Durham : Reay, Coxon, Dixon
Newcastle Upon Tyne: Stothard/Stoddart
Cambridgeshire: Hatley, Coe, Flack, Linsdell, Kirby
Suffolk: Baker, Smith, Flatman
Cumbria: Peel, Scott, Askew
Gloucester: Wertheim, Westcott, Howell, Liles/Lyle/Lyle
Motherwell, Owens, Rice, Carey
Fife: Herd, Moyes, Rodger
County Tyrone: Owens, Fox, Downie
County Antrim: McGill/Magill
County Armagh: Quinn
County Donegal: McCartney
Glamorgan: Howell, Liles, Wertheim
Brecon: Griffiths
Merthyr Tydfil: Edwards
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rjknott
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They are both alive in 1841:
HO107/356/12
Sandhurst
Church House
Benjamin Barns, 80+, receives alms, b in county
Margret Barns, 70+, receives alms, b in county
Richard
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Holmes,Tomlinson,Moorby,Cardus,Gill,Lambert,Binns,Emmott
Fenning,Pudney,Wilson,Walker,Hine,Treeby,Knox,Butler
Jack,Carswell,Gardiner,Alexander,Gibb,Watson,Naismith,Telfer
Gray,Inglis,Gibb,Watson,Taylor,Taylor,Gaff,Henderson
Gayford,Clarke,Palmer,Jessup,Smart,Hutson,Lloyd,Northover
Ridley,Lee,?,Mingings,Moore,Colthart,Lawson,Hind
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Reaybo M
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Hi Richard, thanks, were they living in the Church house. Do you know if recieving alms mean they were put up by the priests? And I take it the 70/80+ is the ages of the two?
Thats a weird entry  Never mind it means I have more to find Cheers Richard appreciate it
Matthew!
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Durham : Reay, Coxon, Dixon
Newcastle Upon Tyne: Stothard/Stoddart
Cambridgeshire: Hatley, Coe, Flack, Linsdell, Kirby
Suffolk: Baker, Smith, Flatman
Cumbria: Peel, Scott, Askew
Gloucester: Wertheim, Westcott, Howell, Liles/Lyle/Lyle
Motherwell, Owens, Rice, Carey
Fife: Herd, Moyes, Rodger
County Tyrone: Owens, Fox, Downie
County Antrim: McGill/Magill
County Armagh: Quinn
County Donegal: McCartney
Glamorgan: Howell, Liles, Wertheim
Brecon: Griffiths
Merthyr Tydfil: Edwards
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rjknott
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The 70+ and 80+ are ages and means that they have given their ages as 70-74 and 80-84, but they are unreliable. Her age is at least consistent with her 1851 age.
There are several people living in Church House, some of whom receive alms; similarly for the next door building. It may be that Church House is an alms house run by the church; you may be able to find out more by Googling. In 1868 the church was said to run a charity that gave away £30 a year. Alms houses are often the result of legacies from local benefactors, but the name suggests a religious connection.
An entry on the IGI suggests that Benjamin was born in 1866 but there is no evidence to support this.
Possible deaths:
Mar 1843 Benjamin Barnes Gloster 11 277
Jun 1853 Margaret Barnes Gloster 6a 116
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Pike,Pike,Watson,Pratt,Homewood,Stephenson,Brown,Pattison
Holmes,Tomlinson,Moorby,Cardus,Gill,Lambert,Binns,Emmott
Fenning,Pudney,Wilson,Walker,Hine,Treeby,Knox,Butler
Jack,Carswell,Gardiner,Alexander,Gibb,Watson,Naismith,Telfer
Gray,Inglis,Gibb,Watson,Taylor,Taylor,Gaff,Henderson
Gayford,Clarke,Palmer,Jessup,Smart,Hutson,Lloyd,Northover
Ridley,Lee,?,Mingings,Moore,Colthart,Lawson,Hind
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Something to follow up/track down the marriage, rather than a definite:
Margaret Organ (1767) and Margaret Pemberton (1768) are the only Margarets baptised in Brockworth between 1758 and 1778.
Margaret Organ appears to die in 1770 which leaves Margaret Pemberton as the best bet.
Richard
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Fenning,Pudney,Wilson,Walker,Hine,Treeby,Knox,Butler
Jack,Carswell,Gardiner,Alexander,Gibb,Watson,Naismith,Telfer
Gray,Inglis,Gibb,Watson,Taylor,Taylor,Gaff,Henderson
Gayford,Clarke,Palmer,Jessup,Smart,Hutson,Lloyd,Northover
Ridley,Lee,?,Mingings,Moore,Colthart,Lawson,Hind
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rjknott
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The 1841 census entry for Emmanuel and Mary Howell has their children: Joseph (17), Eliza (12), Elizabeth (12), Mary (7) and Ann (2). The IGI also has Sarah (1822), Comfort (1825; she is living as a servant elsewhere), Benjamin (1837) and Emanuel (1842).
This may explain Benjamin's absence from the 1841 census:
Dec 1837 Benjamin Howell Gloucester 11 251 (Gloucester includes Ashleworth)
The name however strengthens the case for Mary being Benjamin and Margaret's daughter.
Richard
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Pike,Pike,Watson,Pratt,Homewood,Stephenson,Brown,Pattison
Holmes,Tomlinson,Moorby,Cardus,Gill,Lambert,Binns,Emmott
Fenning,Pudney,Wilson,Walker,Hine,Treeby,Knox,Butler
Jack,Carswell,Gardiner,Alexander,Gibb,Watson,Naismith,Telfer
Gray,Inglis,Gibb,Watson,Taylor,Taylor,Gaff,Henderson
Gayford,Clarke,Palmer,Jessup,Smart,Hutson,Lloyd,Northover
Ridley,Lee,?,Mingings,Moore,Colthart,Lawson,Hind
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Reaybo M
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Hey Richard, Margaret Pemberton does seem the most likely connection. Thankyou for your help, appreciate it. Another person in the tree unmasked!
Regards and thanks again,
Matthew
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Durham : Reay, Coxon, Dixon
Newcastle Upon Tyne: Stothard/Stoddart
Cambridgeshire: Hatley, Coe, Flack, Linsdell, Kirby
Suffolk: Baker, Smith, Flatman
Cumbria: Peel, Scott, Askew
Gloucester: Wertheim, Westcott, Howell, Liles/Lyle/Lyle
Motherwell, Owens, Rice, Carey
Fife: Herd, Moyes, Rodger
County Tyrone: Owens, Fox, Downie
County Antrim: McGill/Magill
County Armagh: Quinn
County Donegal: McCartney
Glamorgan: Howell, Liles, Wertheim
Brecon: Griffiths
Merthyr Tydfil: Edwards
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