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vronlady
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Looking for any information on william griffiths ( my greatgrandfather)born anglesey 1873. He might have had two siblings elizabeth and John. He married grace hughes( born newborough , anglesey 1873) . I can find William and Grace living in Cleckheaton, yorkshire on the 1901 census with their two children elizabeth and mary catherine. Later some of their children returned to amlwch. one of them, William and his wife florence, lived in Craig y don in Amlwch .Another, elsie with husband Jack Hulse lived just round the corner from them. I understand there is a very strong family connection with amwlch so would have expected to find them living in this area.
i think William's father was called william john griffiths. I understand he might have been buried in Llanelian cemetary.
I cannot find the family on the 1891 or 1881 census.
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welsh lady
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Welcome to Rootschat
Have you got William and Graces Marriage cert if not id send for that youll have the Fathers names and address at time of marriage.Will give you more info to go on.
On the way out now if they havent been found will have a
look later.
Welsh Lady
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vronlady
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Don't have their marriage certificate. don't know which year they married in ( although they had their first child around 1898) nor where they married.
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vronlady
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Picking this branch of the family back up with some new info after a time off.
i now know that John griffths married mary? and had 5 children. john (1867), William(1873), Jane (1876), David Owen (1877)and Elizabeth (1880). birth dates rough dates. Have been able to go forward and find out what happened to them but cant go back. i have been to visit the family grave at llanelian cemetery, near amlwch and this is what is on stone for their deaths
john Griffith march 1898 aged 55
john Griffith (son) seep 1904 aged 38
mary Griffith (wife) Nov 1883 aged 41
Elizabeth hughes (mother of mary) DEC 1890 aged 72
David Owen Griffith died aged 17 in the albion mine disaster of 1894 and i have his death cert. Elizabeth and Jane emigrated to USA. John married a Jane parry before he died in 1904. William "married" grace hughes but no certificate has been found and we suspect that they never did.
this appears to be the census ref for family in 1881
RG111 5590 folio 72 page 14
apparently after mary died in 1883 john married again a few years later but i dont have a name.
now i have a few problems apart from the very common names_
the address on the 1881 census gives grogangoch and i have copy of a 1873 birth cert for a Jane Griffiths with an address of grogangoch. it give a maiden name of mother as Jones and a copy of a David Owen birth certificate 1877 maiden name Roberts address penbol amlwch ( different address to earlier siblings birth and later census.) but it is the only one i can find for a David Owen griffths.
I also have a birth certificate of a William griffths born 1868 mothers maiden name Jones, but i cant find William with family in 1871 and from later census he always gives his birth as 1871/73 and his burial card of 1930 gives an age of 57. the thing about this certificate is it is dated 1929 (year before he died)and has been in family since.
and of course gravestone gives mother as Elizabeth hughes . i realize she could have remarried to a hughes after a Jones husband. I can find an Elizabeth hughes living in llanelian road just up from the cemetery in 1881.
i seem to be going round in circles.
sorry for the long post but just trying to give as much detail as i know. thanks to anyone who takes up the challenge.
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gwynt
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Hi vronlady,
This is the family you mentioned above in the 1881 census at Grogancoch, Amlwch:-
John Griffith Head 42 Genl. Labourer born Llanerch'dd, Anglesey
Mary Griffith Wife 36 born Amlwch, Anglesey
John Griffith Son 15 Genl. Labourer born Festiniog, Merionethshire
William Griffith Son 10 Scholar born Llanbadrig, Anglesey
Jane Griffith Daughter 6 Scholar born Amlwch, Anglesey
David Owen Griffith Son 3 born Amlwch, Anglesey
Elizth. Griffith Daughter 6 months born Amlwch, Anglesey
The father's place of birth is probably Llanerchymedd.
Is this the family that you are interested in?
I reckon this is them in the 1871 census living at Carregcefn (I think) in Llanbadrig:-
John Griffiths Head 29 Labourer born Llanbadrig, Anglesey
Mary Griffiths Wife 27 Labourer's wife born Amlwch, Anglesey
John Griffiths Son 4 born Llanbadrig, Anglesey
Some of the ages and birthplaces don't match 1881 but it would explain why William the 10-year-old son in the 1881 census was born in Llanbadrig.
Cheers,
Gwyn
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vronlady
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Hi
thanks for the reply. yes that is the family. thought that might be the 1871 census for the family but a few things dont fit. john being born festiniog according to 1881. also the william birth certificate that has been in the family that i have being stating 1868 birth date means he would have been on 1871 census so have been looking for an alternative family but cant seem to find one that fits etiher.
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vronlady
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the william born 1868 was born "ty bach" llanbadrig. Mother mary ( formerly jones) signed with a mark.
the family in 1881 was the only family i could find with the right 5 names of children to a john and mary with about the right ages, living in amlwch area etc. the birth certificate of jane born 1873 address grogangoch is signed my mary (jones) with her mark .
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vronlady
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its a possibility isnt it. i have known of that in other families but for some reason never thought of it for this one. i could try getting the death certificate i suppose. wonder where he would be buried if it is him. why he is not in family grave. the griffith name keeps appearing with and without the s throughout my records.
you havent seen another david owen griffiths birth for 1877 have you. when he died in 1894 he was 17. the only birth i can see is sept 1877 and that cert says mother mary (maiden name roberts) and an address "gatehouse penbol". not sure where that is but as the 1873 birth and 1881 census say grogangoch would expect that birth to give that address.
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