merlinnz
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Gadget? Is it possible for someone to die in the 1870's yet not appear in any of the 1851, 1861 or 1871 census?
I have found a death certificate for a john and christian which could match but are in 1879 and 1872
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Gadget
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It's possible that they could or their names might have been misread. Isa it possible for you to let me have a look at the records via the e-mail address or point me in the right direction.
Gadget
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merlinnz
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I have sent you an email ( and I am so very grateful for your help in this - I am coming to scotland in april next year for a few days) let me know if it came thru ok.
Is now a good time to mention my mother's name was Baxter and I have traced the baxters back to about 1810 so far! 
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Gadget
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Hi
I've had a look at the certs. The main problem is that we have John as an ag lab in 1841, a shepherd in 1859 on Farquar's marriage certificate when he would have been about 59-60 and in 1872, he is a farmer on his wife's death certificate.
I think that there are a few checks that you could do:
Check up on the Christina McLeod whose death cert you have via the 1861-1871 censuses According to the death cert, she was born circa 1798
Also, the informant was a William Williamson, son in law. Did they have any daughter's who could have married him?
It would appear that they were both alive in 1859, so they must be on the census somewhere 
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Gadget
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I have them on the 1851 In Halkirk:
Rumsdale, Halkirk District 37 ED 12 page 3
John, 54, Shepherd, b. Farr, Sutherland
Christina, 52, b. Latheron
Esther, 18
James, 16
Janet, 13
Alexander, 8
Catherine, 5
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merlinnz
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we found them at the same time... here they are in the 1841 census, perhaps "gunn" is a nephew?
Piece: SCT1841/37 Place: Halkirk -Caithness Enumeration District: 15
Civil Parish: Halkirk Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 0 Page: 1
Address: Runisdale
Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
MACLEOD John M 40 Agricultural Labourer Caithness
MACLEOD Christian F 40 Caithness
MACLEOD Mary F 12 Caithness
MACLEOD Wm. M 9 Caithness
MACLEOD Ellan F 7 Caithness
MACLEOD Jas. M 5 Caithness
MACLEOD Jannet F 3 Caithness
MACLEOD Farquhar M 1 Caithness
GUNN David M 25 Agricultural Labourer Caithness
GUNN Wm. M 20 Agricultural Labourer Caithness
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Gadget
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Yes. The 1841 ones are the ones that you put up last night. The Gunns - from the entry - are a separate household.
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Gadget
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I think we have to be systemmatic with this family:
we have them in 1841
We have them in 1851
We have Farquar's marriage in 1859, when they were still alive.
We now know from the 1851 that John was born circa 1796-7 in Farr and Christina circa1799 in Latheron.
Have you done a thorough search of the 1861 and 1871 with this info?
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Gadget
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I have them in 1861 - same place Ref:
37 ED 12 page 6
John, 63, shepherd
Christina, 62
Jessie, 22
Catherine, 15
Catherine Miller, 17, general servant
Christina Ross, 7, granddaughter
Birth info as before.
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merlinnz
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which site did you find them??
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Gadget
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Any of the sites will find them with this information Ancestry or Scotlands People.
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Gadget
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The only one on the 1871 is a Christina, aged 75, a Grocer - not sure it's her, so they might have died between 1861 and 1871.
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merlinnz
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I've been inputting at freecen and it shows nothing after 1851
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Gadget
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Think it would be worth concentrating on deaths between 1861 and 1871 . i'm sorry that I have to go now for a while - I have to prepare supper.
I'll pop back later to see how you're getting on.
Regards
Gadget 
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Gadget
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The only John MacLeod who fits died on May 16th 1869, aged 74. Here he is listed as a farmer. His parents were:
Donald Mcleod and Mary McKay.
From the info it looks like the Christina death that you found is probably his wife.
I'll contact you via e-mail.
Gadget
Now, I shall go cook
PS - I'd check up on the William Williamson. I think he married one of the daughters and was possibly exaggerating his father in law's occupational status..... or John somehow became a farmer
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