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robeena
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Does anyone know whether any documents are available from the Stoneykirk Kirk sessions. Trying to establish the relationship between John McFadzean aka as Mc Fadyean, Helen Kelly and my gggrandfather, John Edgar born ca 1827. John Edgar married in South Australia when it wasnt necessary to give one's parents names so we are trying to find a needle in a haystack. We know that Robert McFadzean came to South Australia in 1857 and he is somehow related. Robert's parents were John McFadzean and Helen Kelly from Stonykirk. John and Helen married in 1831 and it is possible that John Edgar is the child of an unknown Edgar and Helen Kelly before she married. Any help appreciated. Thanks
Robeena
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Gadget
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Hi Robeena
The only John Edgar that I can find, baptised around that time is:
30 January 1827, Inch to William Edgar and Jean Hood.
Regards
Gadget
PS The National Archives in Edinburgh have the Kirk Sessions minute books for most parishes. There are also some copies locally but I'm not sure if Stoneykirk is one of them
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robeena
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Hi Gadget
Thank you for your reply. I do know the John Edgar born Inch, unfortunately he died 1896 in Scotland so cannot be my relative who died in Adelaide, South Australia. Looks like I will have to get someone to do a lookup in Edinburgh unless the LDS have a copy. Thanks again.
Robeena
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Gadget
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Hi Robeena
Have you found him on the 1841 or 1851 census?
Gadget
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robeena
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Hi Gadget,
There is one John Edgar living in Stoneykirk but not with his family working as a labourer. My John arrived in 1848 so only the 1841 is relevant. Practically all the John Edgars in the area, including Dumfriesshire are not with their families so it makes it really difficult. Two cousins and myself have just about gone through every John of the right age in Scotland. My Uncle was convinced that his ggrandparents came from Dumfries but we have found nothing to connect him. The only clue we have are the McFadzean family and possibly Helen McPherson who was married to a John Kelly. My ggrandfather was known as "John McPherson Edgar" although we think that the McPherson was just a nickname.
Robeena
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Gadget
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Have you followed up the Helen McPherson/John Kelly lead? There might be some form of relationship there.
Was John Kelly Helen Kelly's brother or some relation?
Gadget
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robeena
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Hi Gadget,
Helen Kelly's father was Robert Kelly mother was Mary Orr. I think Robert and John may have been brothers. John Kelly and Helen McPherson appear to be missing from the 1841 census, I can't find them anywhere through Ancestry although I found Helen's mother indexed as Belly not Kelly and only found her through Agnes Orr her grandmother living in the same household. Helen McPherson/Kelly was born in Kirkmabrick Wigtownshire she died in 1846 aged 57 or 59 apparently the records arent clear. I have also been trying to find the John, father William mother Janet Hood on the 1841 census to rule him out as the one in Stoneykirk. He died in Eastwood, Renfrewshire. Any other thoughts welcome.
Robeena
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Gadget
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Let me think on this, Robeena 
When I was searching for my Carson ancestors in Kirkmabreck, I found that one of them had married a Kelly and they lived in Balmaghie at one stage. This is all from memory at the moment - it is a while since I looked at this info.
I'll have to have a look back. Then a think and will get back to you.
Regards
Gadget
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robeena
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This is Kirmabrick, Wigtownshire not Kirkmabreck, Kirkcudbright. One never knows though.
Thanks
Robeena
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Gadget
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Is that in Stoneykirk - I can find no reference to it?
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Gadget
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I think they might be the best line of investigation. I'm looking at an old map of Wigtownshire - 1832 atlas, Here:
http://www.nls.uk/maps/early/540.html
It might take a while, perhaps you could have a look at the same time - two heads and all that
Gadget
PS - other maps and gazeteer on http://www.scotlandsfamily.com/
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Gadget
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I'm not sure whether this is of any use at all but I did a search on baptisms in Stoneykirk and Kirkmainden for McPherson (various spellings) (1821-1828) and came up with these two:
8th April 1822 Susan
4th Feb 1827 Elizabeth
To James McPherson and Elizabeth Armstrong.
Another point - where they of the Established Church because these are the ones that are most commonly available. If they were Roman Catholic or other non-conformist, a baptism might not be recorded.
Gadget
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robeena
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Hi Gadget,
I cannot say for certain what church they were. Some of the Mcfadzean's have baptism entries some don't. Two of the John Kelly/Helen McPh. children have baptisms on the IGI. I don't think they were Catholic or none of the children would be found on the IGI. My John Edgar went to the Free Presbyterian church here, however, it was the only Presbyterian church so he may not have had an option. On the 1851 census John Kelly had a child James McPherson aged 7 living with him gave him as his grandson but can't find him anywhere after this except in 1881 is one who appears to be this James but no baptism either. It is a headscratcher this one.
Cheers
Robin
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