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Topic: Help please on surname derivation (Read 919 times)
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sre
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Daisy Cook
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Do any of you bright sparks out there have any ideas on/point me in the right direction to find ... the derivation of the surname Hercliff .....
I would be interested in where the name originally came from ..... so far I have found Horscliff/Horncliff/Horstliffe .... eventually turning into Hercliff/Ircliffe all in a small cluster around Middleton EY ......
Any help would be most appreciated .... 
Thnx
sre
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AnneMc
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Hello Sre:
I was just googling the surname Horscliff and came across your message on here.. I am reseaching the Hercliffe/Horscliff families.. I am Connected to the Hercliffe in the Middleton area.. namely Matthew Hercliff and his daughter Elizabeth Hercliffe.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Regards
Anne
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sre
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Daisy Cook
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Hi Anne
Many thanks for getting in touch .....
I am descended from Matthew & Margaret (nee Sheilds) Hercliffe's daughter Ann who married Samuel Medd ....
I have found 8 children so far for M & M ...Miriam, John, Ann, Thomas, Martha, Elizabeth, Priscilla and Mary ..... have info on some of them .....
Matthew' parents I think were William & Ann nee Wilson ..... apart from that I have very little ...
It's such a strange surname I felt sure someone out there must be looking for them as well as me .....
Look forward to swapping info
Regards
sre
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AnneMc
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Hello Sre:
Wonderful to hear from you. I have been researching the family for a number of years. I have Matthe's parents as John and Ann Wilson.. I wil get back to you with a p.m. with more information later on today.
Cheers
Anne
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Rena
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James McCarthy
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Hi there,
I have a few meanings of names in a book but unfortunately couldn't find anything like the surname you're researching.
the Old English meaning of "Clif(f)e" is "Dweller by or on the steep slope/bank to the river" - could there have been a river in the vicinity sounding like "Ir/Air" ?
As for "Hors(t) .." could it be a shortened corruption of "Hirst/Hurst" which means "Dweller by the wood or wooded hill" (Old English = hyrst).
With a bit of imagination I can see your ancestor living in his homemade wooden cabin on the edge of the forest alongside a river.
Cheers,
Rena
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AnneMc
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Hello Rena:
Thank you very much for this information.. This is very interesting... I had often wonder where the surname came from.
Cheers
Anne
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Dancing Master
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Nothing at all in the Oxford Companion of Names which covers first names, surnames and place names nor is there any reference in P H Reaney's Book the Origin of English Surnames.
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sre
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Daisy Cook
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Many thanks to you all for your input .... sorry I've taken sooo long to reply ..
Anne ... you are correct .... Matthew's father was John, not William as I put .... William is John's father ..... another senior moment 
Rena & Dancing Master .... thank you both for taking the time to look for me ...
The earliest date I have is 1751 at Cottingham, which is near the river Hull .... not sure about the "Dweller by the wood or wooded hill" as I believe the land to have been flat and marshy at that time .... I could be completely wrong on this, and I'm sure that some one who knows will set me straight ...
Regards
sre
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SteveJW
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Just had a look at my mapping software, hills about a kilometre west of Cottingham centre with spot heights of 50 metres
Cottingham appears to range from 6 to 20 metres above sea level
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griz
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You might try looking on websites that talk about old Norse or Viking names, and place names.
For instance, 'Hunmansby' the place is thought to have come from Hundmansby or houndsman. dog keeper.
'by' village of. there are many websites about vikings and old Norse names in the UK . Below is one example. I like the idea of a place called 'Big Fryup.' But the fry refers to 'Freya' the Norse goddess, as in the day Friday, and not eggs and bacon 
http://www.northeastengland.talktalk.net/Place%20Name%20Meanings%20E%20to%20J.htm
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sre
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Daisy Cook
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Thank you both for your interest
griz ... I've just spent all morning browsing the link you gave .... what an interesting site ... I've learnt so much more about Yorkshire history ... off now to find some more ...
Cheers
sre
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griz
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sre, I am delighted you enjoyed looking through that material.
There is a lot of material online about the influence of Vikings on the UK. I think it is fascinating. I have some Yorkshire roots.
It should be 'Hunmanby' by the way, as I am sure you know, I made a mistake putting an 's' in there, sorry. That's where my Frankish line lived.
I got into the Viking thing even more by doing some research for a relative ( by marriage) who has Viking-origin names on both maternal and paternal sides of his family.
One side of his family lived spread around in the area where the border of West Lancashire and Cheshire blurr, sort of Wirral and Widnes area and a place known for Viking settlements.
Widnes means 'wide nose'.
I love this stuff!
http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/-sczsteve/
http://www.britarch.ac.uk/ba/ba103/feat1.shtml
Yorks. http://www.viking.no/e/england/e-yorkshire_norse.htm
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