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A birth certificate for Alfred would confirm all this, but it does look good. It should be obatinable from Malvern Register Office but a recent reorganisation of registration services in Worcestershire might mean it is now obtainable from a central point. malvernregistrationoffice@worcestershire.gov.uk
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Hi Valda
well... if I have this right, Mary's illegitimate son Alfred/Fredk. is Alfred Stanley; she then married a little before son Francis/Frank was born - it does fit.
It seems likely that Mary living at Roberts End in 1861 married Francis Cubberley. She is not on the 1871 or 1881 censuses as Mary Gallett, whilst the 1891 census has Mary Cubberley still in Powick with son Francis, and the happy coincidence of visitor William Gallett. This must have been Mary's nephew William Harold b.abt 1880.
I'm not clear what you meant by the Jones connection? But Mary's sister Josephine b.abt. 1850 married an Alfred Jones in 1876 - if Josephine is Sophia that wraps it up quite well.
I'm very impressed with your powers of deduction - and would love to know how you did it!
I will take EBNs advice & go after some documentation when I can, to see if any of this can be nailed down properly. I plan to visit the records office later this year and I think that's going to help too.
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Hi EBN
Thanks for this info - I hope I can get to the records office this year, but will probably order this certificate.
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Nick
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incidentally - in case you are interested in the connection: Mary b.abt 1840 was the sister of my gt-grandfather James Gallett.
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There is always the possibility that Mary gave Alfred his father's surname as a middle name when she registered him. It is often the case in some areas. So perhaps the putative father was a Mr Stanley. It works well for a boy, but there are girls with extraordinary middle names !
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Or you could order it online from the GRO
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
but first I might be tempted to order the marriage
Marriages Sep 1885 Gallett Alfred Stanley Ross 6a 744 Hodge Mary Ann C G R Ross 6a 744
Toni has already given you the reference for the birth registration
Births Sep 1863 GALLETT Alfred Upton 6c 304
My 'powers of deduction' are really just based on experience. If you can't find someone on a census when you can see there has been a birth registration with no subsequent death registration, you have to search for that person on censuses (as you did) cross checking against a known birthplace - it obviously doesn't work so well for large connurbations. Illegitimate children or children whose mothers remarry after their first husband dies, often appear on censuses in the surname of the male head of the family. The 1871 census shows only one Alfred of the right age born Hanley Castle - Alfred Cubberley (good thing on this census he was Alfred and not Fredk). It is then a matter of checking for possible marriages of Francis Cubberleys (also useful to have another unusual name). There was only one and it was later than the 1863 birth which would then place Alfred not as a Cubberley but more likely as born a Gallett and therefore as a likely candidate. It always pays to be flexible though obviously for Sophia Jones I just wasn't flexible enough.
Since Sophia Jones was actually Mary Josephine it does account for why I couldn't find the marriage! I still can't see what happened to the family after 1881 on a quick trawl of censuses.
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Just an update:
The marriage certificate didn't give any more information than already known, but Alfred's birth record was helpful: Alfred had no middle name; there was no father listed; the informant was Mary's mother, also Mary Gallett, of Hanley Castle. All in all, I'm fairly sure that Valda is right.
Thanks very much to everyone who contributed
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EBN maybe right the later addition of the middle name Stanley by Alfred could be an indication of what Alfred considered was his real father's surname.
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Hi - In the 1871 census there is a Alfred S Gillet born 1863. address - 14 Tavistock st, Westminster, London. Head - Nicolas Gillet age 42, clerk to basket maker. born France. Wife - Louisa age 35, born Wisbeach, Cambrideshire Son - Alfred S Gillet age 8. Son - George E Gillet age 5 Visitor - Elizabeth Kennedy age 17. born Wisbeach. (sister?)
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Births Dec 1862 GILLET Alfred Sidney Strand 1b 474
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There is a Alfred S Gillet in the 1871 census born 1863.
I did post this earlier, but things are disappearing today. My computer? Frd
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Hi Valda "suddenly it appears" I'm not so mad after all. Fred
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There's a long (50 pages) and well-researched article by Douglas Atherton on the Gillett Family Genealogy Forum re DeGYLETT thru GILLETTE surnames. He opens by saying that "Gillett is a Bergerac name and is spelled many ways: Gillet, Gillette, Gylett, Gallett, Gylot, Gylet, Gelot and Gilet."
I don't of course know whether the Galletts are connected to Gilletts. Gallett and Gallot are definitely connected and established in England from at least the early 1500s, and although I have certainly found Gallett transcribed as Gillett, I haven't found any definite links yet.
Gallett is a comparitively uncommon name - from memory, on the 1871 census I think there are only 25 or so Gallet/Galletts. My feeling is that they are distinct and so I've concentrated on them to date, but I will be happy to be proved wrong!
Thanks for these suggestions,
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I'm not sure what the relevance of Alfred Sidney Gillet born London in 1862 is to the Worcestershire Galletts? - but for completeness, he was still with his parents in London on the 1881 census. He married Isabella Hocking in 1888 and was in Islington in 1891, and with his wife visiting in Eastbourne on the 1901 census - a tea merchant who started life in his father's basket making trade.
The 1871 census gives 344 Gillets and 2,698 Gilletts so not an uncoomon surname. 32 Gallets and 37 Galletts.
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