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Re: A change of SEX!
« Reply #30 on: Friday 18 May 07 20:15 BST (UK) »
Hello Anna,
I do agree with you but I just don't know how to work back from what I have. This is why I am flailing helplessly. The information I am getting is helping me to cross some ideas off and pursue others.
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Re: A change of SEX!
« Reply #31 on: Friday 18 May 07 21:07 BST (UK) »
Ok, keeping it brief as I'm cooking...

1887: Anything in the minutes/records of the workhouse about her?
          Where is Atcham?

1891: Her stated age & birthplace? who else in the family unit? age birthplace(s)

1898: Anyting regarding age/origins/associates in the court/prison records?

1901; Age & birthplace, who are the Wards, (Traceback through census)?

1906: witness name(s), address(es)?
     

> (I did find a Joseph in the Londen area aged 19 who could have been her father ?)
What does this comment mean? I know of no place called londen and an age of 19 means nothing without saying when & where this sighting occurred.....

Off to stir the pans...
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Re: A change of SEX!
« Reply #32 on: Saturday 19 May 07 08:09 BST (UK) »
In 1891 she looks to be aged 24 and born Shropshire Shrewsbury, no other people in houshold (just Ezekial (30), Eliza and John W (4))  Undecided
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Re: A change of SEX!
« Reply #33 on: Saturday 19 May 07 09:25 BST (UK) »



  Hi David...

  Have been looking around ..has this one been suggested?

  RG11/2643 F57 PAGE 4

  LONGDEN  Pontesbury Shrops.

  Edwin Hartshorn  h m m 40 Pontesbury  coal miner
  Sarah                   w m f 37     "      "
 ELIZABETH            D U F 13     "       "
 Annie                    d u f   10     "      "    scholar
 Adda                     d u f   8      "       "     "    "
 John                      s u m 4      "       "     "     ".

  The age now fits with age at death of 43 in 1911 b @1868
              and  telling son John she was 37 in 1906 b @ 1869.


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Re: A change of SEX!
« Reply #34 on: Saturday 19 May 07 09:29 BST (UK) »
This could be her but I don't know how to verify it.

I am trying to reply to Pauline but keep losing all the information before I can post it!!!!!!!!!
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Re: A change of SEX!
« Reply #35 on: Saturday 19 May 07 09:37 BST (UK) »
1887. No records - they were lost in transferring to an archive!Atcham is near Shrewsbury.

1891. Living as Mrs Eliza Hutchinson with Ezekiel her husband and John William Hutchinson her son aged 4 years. Aged 24 and born in Shrewsbury.

1898. No details in prison records or even age.

1901. Living as a Boarder with Mr and Mrs Ward (I cannot trace them to a link) She was 31 and single and a laundress.

1906. She was 37, a spinster still living in Market Street, Ashby de la Zouch. Her witnesses were Sarah Dolman and George Davis both of whom I have been unable to link to her.

In 1871 a Joseph hartshorn aged 19 years and a coal miner was living at Longden Common near Shrewsbury. Ten years later he is still living there married to an Eliza!
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Re: A change of SEX!
« Reply #36 on: Saturday 19 May 07 09:49 BST (UK) »


  The 19 year old Joseph looks to be this one....

  Joseph Hartshorn m Eliza Cooper 1878 Atcham q3.

I was thinking along the lines of him being Edwin Joseph or Joseph Edwin by name and only using one on the census.
Does the marriage cert still state fathers name and whether alive or deceased.

My grt grandad gave fathers name as John Green when he married.....but John Green died 6 years before he was born his mother had a lodger John Millard who she married the following year and all the children became Millards on 1891/1901 census. So we do have to lean a little in another direction sometimes.

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Re: A change of SEX!
« Reply #37 on: Saturday 19 May 07 11:49 BST (UK) »
Thanks Tazzie.
I had noticed Joseph's marriage to Eliza Cooper but unless I find someone who actually knows of his family I seem to be unable to link my GGrandmother, Eliza, to him. It is so frustrating isn't it!
When Eliza married in 1906 she gave her fathers name as Joseph and his work as coal miner which would fit AND  I havebeen unable to find any other Joseph to fit the dates and area too.
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