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Abiam
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Can anyone tell me why Joseph Tuckwell (born abt 1776 in Berks) and his wife Lavinia (nee Green born 1787 in Chilton Berks) would have had 4 of their 6 children registered in both Cookham Berks and East Lockinge Wilts. The other 2, middle and last, were only registered in Cookham Berks.
Also, I need to find out where Joseph was born. Chilton, where Lavinia was born, has been checked and there is no Joseph.
Any help much appreciated,
Regards, Abiam
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DOBSON,Berks, Wilts.DOPSON, Fyfield, Wilts
SMITH, WEBB, Little Gransden, Gamlingay, Cambs
WEBB, Hatley St George, Hunts
HUNT, Wanborough, Swindon, Wilts
TUBB, Hungerford, Berks, EGERTON, Highworth, Wilts
WISE, South Australia, WISE, Fawley, Berks
WISE, Bray, Binfield, Berks
WYSE, Wise, Maidenhead, Berks
VINCE, VINCENT, St Mary Bourne, Hants, Bucks, Berks
TUCKWELL ANYWHERE!
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Valda
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East Lockinge is in Berkshire near Wantage. Judging from the dates you give I think you mean parish register baptisms not registrations as in civil registrations for births.
Have you seen the actual parish registers for these two parishes or are you relying on information from a secondary source? The parishes are not adjacent yet the dates given for the baptisms in the BVRI (often extracted from Bishop's Transcripts and not the parish registers themselves) are for the same date.
Regards
Valda
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AngelaR
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Also, have you seen the baptism for Joseph Tuckwell on the IGI on 23 May 1784 at Long Wittenham, Berkshire? I know it's a bit late, judging by his age on the 1841 census, but it might be worth looking at the original in case he was baptised aged 5 or something.
Angela
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Abiam
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Hi Angela R and Valda,
First my mistake about E Lockinge being in Wilts - brain not engaged - and not appreciating the diff. between Parish and Civil.
I do have Joseph in L Wittendon and, according to the IGI there was a family, John and Sarah, they appear to have 6 children 3 called John, a Charles and a Martha plus Joseph. There is also a William born to Elizabeth Tuckwell. The John Tuckwell's were born in 1787,1794 and 1801. Were they very unlucky and 2 of them died very early or are they from a different family altogether?
Also I have Joseph as Buried 1843 at the Union workhouse (I think this would be the Cookham Union) which, with the 1841 census, would make the birth date 1776.
I didn't know about Sarah, Baptism October 1810 Bisham. That would tie in nicely with their marriage in March 1810 in Great Marlow Bucks which is getting them nearer to Cookham where they were in 1841. And that possibly she was named after her maternal grandmother.
So, where am I now? How can I confirm that Joseph, Long Wittenham, is my Joseph with age errors? And do I forget about E Lockeridge - I haven't found any Tuckwells there!
Thank you both for your replies and any further thoughts you may have,
Regards, Abiam
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DOBSON,Berks, Wilts.DOPSON, Fyfield, Wilts
SMITH, WEBB, Little Gransden, Gamlingay, Cambs
WEBB, Hatley St George, Hunts
HUNT, Wanborough, Swindon, Wilts
TUBB, Hungerford, Berks, EGERTON, Highworth, Wilts
WISE, South Australia, WISE, Fawley, Berks
WISE, Bray, Binfield, Berks
WYSE, Wise, Maidenhead, Berks
VINCE, VINCENT, St Mary Bourne, Hants, Bucks, Berks
TUCKWELL ANYWHERE!
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Valda
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Joseph Tuckwell may have died at the Union workhouse (workhouses had infirmaries - some of which became National Health Hospitals when the National Health Service was founded in 1947) but they didn't usually have burial grounds. Joseph was buried at Holy Trinity churchyard Cookham on 6th January 1843 aged 67. Lavinia (Levina) was buried on 31st May 1848 aged 72.
Since Joseph died before the 1851 census you have to rely on the 1841 census for whether he was born in or outside Berkshire. Unfortunately the Y and N on that census can be unreliable so I wouldn't exclude the possibility that Joseph may not have been born in Berkshire - proving a connection to a baptism even if you find a possible can be very tough for any people who died before the 1851 census.
Cookham sits directly on the Berkshire/Buckinghamshire county border. It might be worth asking Buckinghamshire Family History Society for a search in their baptism index for potential Josephs.
http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=17&Itemid=75
Regards
Valda
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AngelaR
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I can't improve on Valda's reply, so I won't try 
Just to pick up what you said about the multiple John Tuckwell baptisms - I don't know if my experience is typical, but 3 attempts at a surviving child with the same name has happened a good deal in my family. Since the name is that of the father and would normally be particularly important to retain, I'm not at all surprised at there being 3 Johns, especially at that period.
Proof of parentage is incredibly difficult, so good luck I've just recently found some parentage evidence for one of my ancestors via the will of someone who turned out to be his brother, so you never know what will turn up 
Angela
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Abiam
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AngelaR and Valda,
Thanks for that. I will take your advice about getting a search done at Bucks FHS.
And I have personal experience of the loss of a baby and naming the next child with the same name. That was in 1970 so it has probably going on for a few hundred years! But I don't think I would have been tempted to do the same for a 3rd time.
As he was married in Great Marlow maybe he was from the area and Lavinia had travelled to Bucks from Chilton Berks to work ie. in service. Met and married in the groom's home town rather than the bride's. I shall start on that line. I don't think the Will suggestion would go far as I think it unlikely they would have had anything to leave! As, unfortunately, with all branches of my family.
But, you never know,
Regatds, Abiam
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Genealogists never die! They just undertake to join their ancestors!
DOBSON,Berks, Wilts.DOPSON, Fyfield, Wilts
SMITH, WEBB, Little Gransden, Gamlingay, Cambs
WEBB, Hatley St George, Hunts
HUNT, Wanborough, Swindon, Wilts
TUBB, Hungerford, Berks, EGERTON, Highworth, Wilts
WISE, South Australia, WISE, Fawley, Berks
WISE, Bray, Binfield, Berks
WYSE, Wise, Maidenhead, Berks
VINCE, VINCENT, St Mary Bourne, Hants, Bucks, Berks
TUCKWELL ANYWHERE!
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Valda
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All Saints with Holy Trinity Great Marlow burials
21st December 1813
Ann Tuckwell 10 weeks
16th February 1814
Mary Tuckwell 43
Regards
Valda
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Abiam
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Valda that's great it looks as though he was from the Marlow area if Mary (43)was his mother!
Thanks
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Genealogists never die! They just undertake to join their ancestors!
DOBSON,Berks, Wilts.DOPSON, Fyfield, Wilts
SMITH, WEBB, Little Gransden, Gamlingay, Cambs
WEBB, Hatley St George, Hunts
HUNT, Wanborough, Swindon, Wilts
TUBB, Hungerford, Berks, EGERTON, Highworth, Wilts
WISE, South Australia, WISE, Fawley, Berks
WISE, Bray, Binfield, Berks
WYSE, Wise, Maidenhead, Berks
VINCE, VINCENT, St Mary Bourne, Hants, Bucks, Berks
TUCKWELL ANYWHERE!
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Valda
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I'm afraid that is to much wishful thinking. The ages don't match up. Mary's birth year would be circa 1771.
It just shows there were Tuckwells in the area.
Regards
Valda
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Abiam
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Yes I'm afraid it's just dawned on me! I suppose she could have been his sister.
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Genealogists never die! They just undertake to join their ancestors!
DOBSON,Berks, Wilts.DOPSON, Fyfield, Wilts
SMITH, WEBB, Little Gransden, Gamlingay, Cambs
WEBB, Hatley St George, Hunts
HUNT, Wanborough, Swindon, Wilts
TUBB, Hungerford, Berks, EGERTON, Highworth, Wilts
WISE, South Australia, WISE, Fawley, Berks
WISE, Bray, Binfield, Berks
WYSE, Wise, Maidenhead, Berks
VINCE, VINCENT, St Mary Bourne, Hants, Bucks, Berks
TUCKWELL ANYWHERE!
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newburychap
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Can anyone tell me why Joseph Tuckwell (born abt 1776 in Berks) and his wife Lavinia (nee Green born 1787 in Chilton Berks) would have had 4 of their 6 children registered in both Cookham Berks and East Lockinge Wilts.
The simple answer is that they didn't - there are no Tuckwells in the East Lockinge (Berks) parish registers.
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Abiam
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Thanks for that!
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DOBSON,Berks, Wilts.DOPSON, Fyfield, Wilts
SMITH, WEBB, Little Gransden, Gamlingay, Cambs
WEBB, Hatley St George, Hunts
HUNT, Wanborough, Swindon, Wilts
TUBB, Hungerford, Berks, EGERTON, Highworth, Wilts
WISE, South Australia, WISE, Fawley, Berks
WISE, Bray, Binfield, Berks
WYSE, Wise, Maidenhead, Berks
VINCE, VINCENT, St Mary Bourne, Hants, Bucks, Berks
TUCKWELL ANYWHERE!
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