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adee7
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Hi,
It seems that in our families of the past, miracles occurred.
It was the men who gave birth!! I"m sure most family searchers have seen, "He had five (pick a number) children", with no mention of the mother's name.
Kathleen
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England and Belfast - GOFF, GOUGH, MATHERS, MOXHAM/MOXAM, OSMOND, PHILLIPS, WINDER, WYKES
Scotland - JOHNSTON, DORWARD, KIDD, KYD, RAMSAY, RAE
Canada - DeWOLFE, HALLADAY, HASKINS, HICOCK, JOHNSTON, OLD/OLDS
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adee7
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The reason I raised this topic is that one of my most difficult tasks in this wonderful venture is to find the names and stories of my female ancestors.
The only way I found my Grandmother's Mother's name was to search out the military history of my Great-Grandfather. It seemed that I was caught up in a military circle for a long time, but eventually, I found her.
Now for her Mother.........
Have any of you had to find the women in your family through similar routes?
Kathleen
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England and Belfast - GOFF, GOUGH, MATHERS, MOXHAM/MOXAM, OSMOND, PHILLIPS, WINDER, WYKES
Scotland - JOHNSTON, DORWARD, KIDD, KYD, RAMSAY, RAE
Canada - DeWOLFE, HALLADAY, HASKINS, HICOCK, JOHNSTON, OLD/OLDS
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Shropshire Lass
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The invisibility of women throughout history makes research very difficult. I've got lots of wives with only a first name so far. Congratulations on finding your great-grandmother.
I find the census returns frustrating as they rarely give occupations for the wives. All those farmers whose wives don't have an occupation! The relation who ran a butcher's shop and a beershop whose wife has no occupation - I'll bet she spent every day sitting around with her feet up! All but the very wealthiest women must have worked even if it was home-based work whilst raising the family but their work was not recognised by the authorities.
I find that knowing that gggfather was a builder helps to build up a picture of him whereas gggmother is a shadowy figure - no name and no occupation. The hunt goes on.
Monica
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukDALBY - Suffolk and, after 1860, Birmingham. EBENEZER - Cardiganshire & Glamorgan. GARVEY and GRAHAM - Mayo. HUBBARD - Birmingham. MAUND and LEWIS - Shropshire and Birmingham. MORGAN(S) - Cardiganshire. SLADE - Somerset and Worcester. |
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adee7
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Hi Monica,
My maternal grandparents both died when I was 12 years old. Years later, when I obtained copies of their death certificates I found that one of their sons provided the information for both of them. He stated the names of my grandfather's parents, but did not know the name of my grandmother's mother.
It seems that, as my mother said, 'the boys' were so enamoured of their adventurous father's life, that they paid no attention to what their mother did. He had served in the Boer War, owned a hotel, was a prospector, etc. etc.
My grandmother, worked as a domestic servant, then during WWII she worked in one of the ammunitions factories. Even now, I find that a cousin hasn't any idea of how hard she worked, and is not really interested, but he is anxious to learn more about the life of grandfather.
I don't wish to take anything away from grandfather's life story, but I am determined to learn a lot more about the lives of my female ancestors.
Regards, Kathleen
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England and Belfast - GOFF, GOUGH, MATHERS, MOXHAM/MOXAM, OSMOND, PHILLIPS, WINDER, WYKES
Scotland - JOHNSTON, DORWARD, KIDD, KYD, RAMSAY, RAE
Canada - DeWOLFE, HALLADAY, HASKINS, HICOCK, JOHNSTON, OLD/OLDS
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Shropshire Lass
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I don't wish to take anything away from grandfather's life story, but I am determined to learn a lot more about the lives of my female ancestors.
I'm with you wholeheartedly on this one. One of my grandmothers went to the USA on her own, in the early 1900s, aged about 16. What a journey that must have been and how brave to go ahead with it. My Mum was in London all through the war and did her full-time job during the week and voluntary work at the weekends with the Red Cross at a First Aid Station. You can imagine what that involved when the bombs were dropping.
My husband registered the birth of our first son and when he came home with the certificate I was horrified to see that his occupation was noted but not mine and this was only 20+ years ago. When my second son was born, I registered him and insisted on my occupation being put on the form - there wasn't a place for it so the registrar added it into the box by my name.
Let's find out as much as we can about our female ancestors and celebrate their work and achievements!
Monica
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukDALBY - Suffolk and, after 1860, Birmingham. EBENEZER - Cardiganshire & Glamorgan. GARVEY and GRAHAM - Mayo. HUBBARD - Birmingham. MAUND and LEWIS - Shropshire and Birmingham. MORGAN(S) - Cardiganshire. SLADE - Somerset and Worcester. |
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adee7
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Hi Monica and Jaylay,
My grandmother (daughter of military man) came to Canada from Belfast when she was about 18. In her later years, she was awarded for her voluntary work with the Canadian Red Cross, even with her hard work at the munitions plant.
Her mother's story was, so far as I know, a difficult one. She was a widow with an infant daughter when she married my great grandfather, and gave birth to both of their children in different barracks in different countries. She died at the age of about 35.
I would like to learn more about women's lives at the barracks.
Another item in the newspapers that is frustrating is the notice of marriage where the bride is daughter of Mr. and Mrs. 'John Doe'. Who is her mother?
Kathleen
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England and Belfast - GOFF, GOUGH, MATHERS, MOXHAM/MOXAM, OSMOND, PHILLIPS, WINDER, WYKES
Scotland - JOHNSTON, DORWARD, KIDD, KYD, RAMSAY, RAE
Canada - DeWOLFE, HALLADAY, HASKINS, HICOCK, JOHNSTON, OLD/OLDS
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adee7
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As recently as the late 1960's when we moved to a rural area, the neighbours came to meet us. Mr. ...... introduced himself by name, then pointed to the woman beside him and said she was 'the wife'. She was the mother of their three children and a full partner in the work on their farm!! I quickly asked her name and told her mine.
I wonder if that practice is still prevalent.
Kathleen
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England and Belfast - GOFF, GOUGH, MATHERS, MOXHAM/MOXAM, OSMOND, PHILLIPS, WINDER, WYKES
Scotland - JOHNSTON, DORWARD, KIDD, KYD, RAMSAY, RAE
Canada - DeWOLFE, HALLADAY, HASKINS, HICOCK, JOHNSTON, OLD/OLDS
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adee7
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Did you ever learn their names? One can hope that they had family members who could carry their stories forward.
Kathleen
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England and Belfast - GOFF, GOUGH, MATHERS, MOXHAM/MOXAM, OSMOND, PHILLIPS, WINDER, WYKES
Scotland - JOHNSTON, DORWARD, KIDD, KYD, RAMSAY, RAE
Canada - DeWOLFE, HALLADAY, HASKINS, HICOCK, JOHNSTON, OLD/OLDS
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Bill749
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Also, when looking up early newspaper announcements of births (pre-1850), even the mother of the child is not mentioned
This carried on well into the 20th century: "the wife of John Smith , a son", but even worse was that it also happened when they died! I have this obituary for my great great grandfather from the local paper in 1910:
The funeral of the late Mrs. Sharp, wife of Captain W. Sharp, 13 York Street Almshouses, took place on Monday at St Mary’s Cemetery. Captain Sharp is an old Dover Captain, and previous to his coming to Dover, was Captain at Whitstable. He has been on the water for more than 60 years, and first served under the late Mr. Mowll senior, and for 21 years was captain for Messrs J.W. Bussey and Co. Latterly he served Messrs Pearson as skipper of the Sappho during the construction of the National Harbour, and retired about three years ago from active work.
Captain Sharp is a member of the “Peace and Harmony” Lodge (199) of Masons.
He has a family of ten children, all of whom were present at the funeral.
One of the sons is captain of the “Lady Curzon”, another is captain of the “Friendship” at Folkestone, two are in the Navy, and one is Mate of the tug “Lady Curzon”.
Captain Sharp’s wife was a daughter of the late Mr. Stephen Hogbin, baker, Commercial Quay, and the only one of the family now living is Mr. Hogbin Sen. Fishmonger, who lives with his son Mr. Geo. Hogbin at Woolcomber Street, and is 84 years of age.
Whose funeral was it - she isn't even named, but we get his life story and details of her family! The obit goes on to mention the mourners and all the floral tributes.
She was named in the actual announcement of her death in the previous edition, but the obituary doesn't tell us anything about her life at all.
Bill
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Banks, Beer, Bowes, Castle, Cloak, Coachworth, Dixon, Farr, Golder, Graves, Hicks, Hogbin, Holmans, Marsh, Mummery, Nutting, Pierce, Rouse, Sawyer, Sharp, Snell, Willis: mostly in East Kent. Ey, Sawyer: London Evans: Ystradgynlais, Wales Snell: Snettisham, Norfolk Knight, Burgess, Ellis: Hampshire Purdy: Ireland/Canada/Durham/Pennsylvania McCann: Ireland Morrow: Pennsylvania Sparnon: any Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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I've been able to go further back on my female line than male line  
Andrew
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Leeds - HOLMES (also at Boston Spa, Thorp Arch), SCHOLEY/SCOREY/SCHORAH (also at Stanley, Wakefield), TURVEY (also at Birmingham), WARD, WHITE, WOODHEAD (also at Halton, Whitkirk, Templenewsam). Dewbury - CRAWSHAW, GLEDHILL, SPEIGHT Great Horton - RAMSDEN, SHACKLETON, WOOLER Woolsthorpe by Belvoir - SMITH Barrowby and South Stoke, Lincolnshire - PARKER Derby and Newhall - STREET Census information Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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adee7
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Bill,
That's an amazing 'description' of your great-grandmother's funeral. Were you able to find information about her family and her story?
Kathleen
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England and Belfast - GOFF, GOUGH, MATHERS, MOXHAM/MOXAM, OSMOND, PHILLIPS, WINDER, WYKES
Scotland - JOHNSTON, DORWARD, KIDD, KYD, RAMSAY, RAE
Canada - DeWOLFE, HALLADAY, HASKINS, HICOCK, JOHNSTON, OLD/OLDS
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adee7
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Andrew,
That's wonderful. How far back were you able to trace, and how is that the women were more traceable than the men?
Kathleen
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England and Belfast - GOFF, GOUGH, MATHERS, MOXHAM/MOXAM, OSMOND, PHILLIPS, WINDER, WYKES
Scotland - JOHNSTON, DORWARD, KIDD, KYD, RAMSAY, RAE
Canada - DeWOLFE, HALLADAY, HASKINS, HICOCK, JOHNSTON, OLD/OLDS
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