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old scotsman
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My Grandfather John Hill born 1887 in Castle Douglas, Kirkcudbrightshire. He was a man of mystery and my Mother knew very little of her Fathers family as they had nothing to do with him and he never talked about them. I just found out he was the youngest of a family of seven, ggrandfather James Hill was a Grocer and moved about a little and traced him back to the 1861 Census
1861 Census Scotland Kirkcudbrightshire Kirkgunzeon
Byrecroft Farm House
James Hill serv Unmarr 13 Ag Lab born Urr Kirkcudbright
I would like to find him in the 1851 and 1841 Census to find more about his family
I would also like to find more about the brothers and sisters of my Grandfather John Hill
James Hill Born 1872 Dalbeattie, Kirkcudbrightshire in the 1891 Census he is listed as Aged 19 Grocers Assistant living at No 21 Laurieston, Balmaghie, Kirkcudbrightshire not found after this Census
Robert Hill Born 1874 Dalbeattie, Kirkcudbrightshire in the 1891 Census he is listed as Aged 17 Sadler living at No 21 Laurieston, Balmaghie, Kirkcudbrightshire not found after this Census
Martha Hill Born 1875 Dalbeattie, Kirkcudbrightshire in the 1891 Census she is listed as Aged 16 Milliner living at No 21 Laurieston, Balmaghie, Kirkcudbrightshire not found after this Census
Margaret Hill Born 1877 Kelton, Kirkcudbrightshire in the 1891 Census she is listed as Aged 13 Scholar living at No 21 Laurieston, Balmaghie, Kirkcudbrightshire not found after this Census
William Hill Born 1881 Kelton, Kirkcudbrightshire in the 1891 Census he is listed as Aged 10 Scholar living at No 21 Laurieston, Balmaghie, Kirkcudbrightshire not found after this Census
Ellan (Helen) Hill Born 1884 Castle Douglas in the 1901 Census she is listed as Aged 17 Grocer's Daughter living with her parents at No 21 Laurieston, Balmaghie, Kirkcudbrightshire
Thanks in anticipation
Ian Fulton
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Ian
Is this submitted entry on IGI James's marriage and his parents?:
JAMES HILL Parents: WILLIAM HILL and MARTHA MURRAY
Marriages: Spouse: MARGARET JARDINE
Marriage: 03 JUN 1870 Caerlaverock, Dumfries, Scotland
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Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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If these are his parents, and you can confirm them from his marriage cert, this looks like the family in the 1861 census with James son already working away from home from the entry you have found:
William Hill 34, agr. lab. b. Ireland
Martha Hill 41, b. Ireland
Mary Ann Hill 13, b. Urr
John Hill 9, b. Urr
Elenor Hill 6, b. Urr
Margaret Hill 3, b. Urr
William Hill 6 Mo, b. Urr
Address: Springholm, Urr
Some IGI birth entries for children to William and Martha:
1. MARGARET HILL Birth: 14 JAN 1858 Kirkgunzeon, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
2. MARJORY HILL Birth: 03 JUL 1865 Urr, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
3. HILL Female Birth: 15 APR 1868 Urr, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
4. WILLIAM HILL Birth: 20 JUL 1860 Urr, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
5. MARTHA HILL Birth: 12 APR 1863 Kirkpatrick Durham, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
6. Helen Hill Mayne or Meyne Marriages Spouse: Peter Berrill Marriage:14 JUL 1895 Manhattan, New York, New York
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Just some actual birthdays for the pre 1875 children to James Hill and Margaret Jardine, from IGI:
1. JAMES HILL Birth: 06 MAY 1871 Dalbeattie, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
2. ROBERT HILL Birth: 10 AUG 1873 Dalbeattie, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
3. MARTHA HILL Birth: 06 SEP 1874 Dalbeattie, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Ian
Unfortunately, I cannot see the family on the 1851 census index to be able to place James there, and I've looked at two different indexes. I also looked at the 1851 index for England and couldn't easily see them there either. Final check on Scotlands People for 1851 and only 9 Hills in the whole of Kirkcudbright (one Hillis). No idea where they were for that census.
If you look at any of the birth certs for William and Martha's children in the 1860s, it should include when/where they were married which might provide some additional clues as to whether they married in Scotland or Ireland.
Searching for mother Martha's death under Murray/Hill draws a blank in Scotland. That marriage entry in 1895 for Helen (probably Elenor in 1861) in New York makes me wonder whether some of the family may have emigrated? You could try following through on the censuses perhaps to see if they 'disappeared' before this date
Regards.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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William Hill and children, no sign of Martha, in 1871:
William Hill 42, granite polisher, b. Ireland
Helen Hill 14
Margaret Hill 11
William Hill 9
Martha Hill 5
Address: William St, Dalbeattie, Urr
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Ah, found Martha's death I think. She was registered only by her married name, no maiden name:
1868 HILL MARTHA 40 URR /KIRKCUDBRIGHT 884/00 0018
William Hill may have remarried by 1881 and a possible birth county in Ireland for him:
William Hill 54, granite polisher, b. Tyrone Ireland
Mary Farrel 45, b. Ireland, Knigs County
Mary Hill 13, b. Dalbeattie
Catherine Hill 7, b. Dalbeattie
John Bradly 48, boarder, b. Ireland, Belfast
Address: Sunnyside, Dalbeattie, Urr
And the marriage entry on IGI:
WILLIAM HILL Marriages: Spouse: MARY FARRELL
Marriage: 04 AUG 1872 Dalbeattie, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
And one of the daughters' births, also on IGI:
CATHERINE HILL Birth: 10 APR 1873 Dalbeattie, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
Regards.
Monica 
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Ian
The marriage entry for Helen Hill in New York is a submitted entry on IGI. Parents names are given on the entry which is why it came up on my search when I searched for all entries for children to William and Martha. Given she was born c.1854 and the marriage date in NY is 1895, maybe this could have been a second marriage and the 'Mayne' was first married name...pure guess Ian 
On James's birth place, it will be hard to be definitive. There doesn't seem to be any birth or christening entries for William and Martha's children before the start of official registration in 1855.
Regards.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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