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Griffith's Valuation
« on: Tuesday 29 May 07 09:50 UTC (UK) »

According to a marriage certificate of 1864,Robert Malone,stonemason,father of the bride,lived in Athgarvan.I have looked for him on Griffith's Valuation (Great Connell),but have failed to find him.Any suggestions please?
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Re: Griffith's Valuation
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 31 May 07 08:04 UTC (UK) »

Fran,

You have posted your query on the Kildare board so I presume you have some evidence that this is the county he came from?

Athgarvan is the name of a townland in Wicklow - there is no Athgarvan listed in Kildare.

There is no Robert Malone listed in Griffiths Valuation anywhere in Wicklow and although there are quite a few Malones none in Athgarvan.

On a brighter note, there is one Robert Malone living in Kildare at Blackwood in the parish of Downings.

I hope this is of some help to you.

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Re: Griffith's Valuation
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 31 May 07 09:25 UTC (UK) »

RonnieG,Thank you for your reply.I do have evidence that he came from Kildare.Athgarvan is not far from Newbridge.I will take a look at the entry for Downings.
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Re: Griffith's Valuation
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 31 May 07 10:07 UTC (UK) »

Fran,

I had another look for Athgarvan in Kildare.

The correct name according to Griffiths is "BLACKRATH AND ATHGARVAN" and it is in the parish of Greatconnell - but still no Malones living there.

Bear in mind that if your Robert was not the head of the household he won't be listed in Griffiths.

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Re: Griffith's Valuation
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 31 May 07 10:30 UTC (UK) »

Fran,

The Kildare Valuation took place in 1851 ... the marriage cert showing he lived in Athgarvan is dated thirteen years after the Valuation so it's possible Robert was not in Kildare at the time of the Valuation. If he was his father was probably the head of household. Robert may well have moved to Athgarvan when he left home.

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Re: Griffith's Valuation
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 31 May 07 15:48 UTC (UK) »

Thank you RonnieG and Christopher.
I presumed that Robert Malone was the head of the household as he would have already been married by then,and would have had at least one child(the one married in 1864).As he had a trade wouldn't he have been able to branch out on his own?
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Re: Griffith's Valuation
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 02 June 07 19:30 UTC (UK) »

Paquita,

Sorry if I misled you about "head of the household".

Griffiths Valuation was actually a property survey not a census. It records the details for every property in Ireland which is why it took some time to complete (1847 to 1864).

It gives the name of the lessee of the property and of the lessor.

For our purposes the lessee is a very good indicator of the head of the household but this is not always the case. If your Robert was for example living with his elderly father it would be his father's name still on the lease or if he was living with his father-in-law then the name on the lease would not even be Malone.

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Re: Griffith's Valuation
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 03 June 07 09:18 UTC (UK) »

RonnieG,
Thank you for the clarification.
Fran
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Re: Griffith's Valuation
« Reply #8 on: Friday 22 June 07 09:40 UTC (UK) »

Hi Paquita,

Have you managed to find out any more info about Robert Malone? The only way to find out if he definitely lived in Athgarvan around 1864 is to check the Valuation Books for that time. These essentially record all the changes in owners and tenants of each piece of property listed in the Griffith Valuation - so they might give the date that he started to rent the property, and also who took it over after him. As it happens, I will be checking the Valuation Books for Blackrath and Athgarvan sometime around the beginning of August, so I can look to see if Robert Malone appears there.

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Re: Griffith's Valuation
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 24 June 07 17:41 UTC (UK) »

I am sorry for not replying sooner,Jud.I have been on holiday for a week and have only just got back.I would be very grateful if you would check the Valuation Books for me.It is very kind of you to offer.
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Re: Griffith's Valuation
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 26 June 07 17:36 UTC (UK) »

Fran,

No problem. Will let you know in August how it goes.

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Re: Griffith's Valuation
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 19 August 07 10:47 UTC (UK) »

Fran,

I checked the valuation books and am quite certain that there were no Malones who were head of households in Blackrath between 1860 and 1890. However, the address of Blackrath given on an Irish marriage certificate actually refers to where the bride was living at the time of the marriage - it does not mean that her father was there too. So, if she was working as a servant, she would probably have been living in her employer's house in Blackrath.
I hope this helps in some way.

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Re: Griffith's Valuation
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 19 August 07 10:51 UTC (UK) »

Back to the first post-
According to a marriage certificate of 1864,Robert Malone,stonemason,father of the bride,lived in Athgarvan.I have looked for him on Griffith's Valuation (Great Connell),but have failed to find him.Any suggestions please?
Fran

The marriage certificate lists the residence of the BRIDE and GROOM at the time of the marriage which might not be where they were born or even where their families were living at the time of the marriage. You might need to look elsewhere for Robert Malone.
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Re: Griffith's Valuation
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 19 August 07 17:09 UTC (UK) »

Thank you for looking,Jud.
Thank you aghadowey for your reply.I am pretty sure they lived in the area.Their grandchildren lived to a ripe old age and there was never any talk of them coming from elsewhere.
The bride had no occupation on her marriage certificate.I know that is not conclusive,but I don't think they were poor.
I'll keep looking!
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Re: Griffith's Valuation
« Reply #14 on: Monday 07 January 08 22:40 UTC (UK) »

http://kildare.brsgenealogy.com/

Greetings from Athgarvan. The above link is new and lists church records for Kildare, lots of Malones. There is a €10 charge for detailed lookups, you can get basic listings free.

There is a Robert Malone marriage record for 1862 listed on the site for Kilcullen parish. Kilcullen is adjacent to Athgarvan. 

There is a Malone family living in Athgarvan today and lots of Malones in the greater Newbridge area. 

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