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Topic: Parents of Robert KITCHING (Read 547 times)
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DS
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Hi
This looks interesting...
1861
Bedale RG9/3665 Folio 36 Page 5
Thos Kitching Head M 41 Keeps a Lic Lodging House Yorks Burneston
Jane do Wife M 37 Yorks Marrick ?
David do Son 10 Yorks Burneston
Elizth do Daur 9 Yorks Burneston
Mary Ann do Daur 7 Yorks Leeming
Robert do Son 5 Yorks Leeming
+ some Lodgers
Leeming
What do you think ?
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1871
Bedale RG10/4866 Folio 59 Page 9
Thos Kitching Head M 51 Sawyer Burneston (Lame 50 years)
Jane do Wife M 46 Marrick nr Reeth
Robert do Son U 15 Sawyer Leeming
Dorothy do Mother Wid 84 Leeming
Exelby
Hope that helps.
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Hi Noreen
I was looking at your post about Robert, and found it very interesting.
You haven't come across Alice Martha Kitchen born 1883 or 1884 Fathers name Marmaduke Kitchen, in your research as she is my husbands Grandmother, and for the life of me I can not find her birth place, on her marriage cert it gives her fathers name as Marmaduke and the only Marmaduke Kitchen, I have found was born in Driffield.
I have had so much help off the kind people on this site, in fact I know DS, and with out his help I would not have found the relatives I have, but Alice Martha still alludes me.
Just thought I would ask if you don't ask you don't get, do you.
Regards Kathc
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Valda
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Marriages Jun 1885
Kitchen Marmaduke Teesdale 10a 319
Robins Martha Eliza Teesdale 10a 319
1901 census RG13 4575 folio 85
House Scott? & Co Middlesbrough Yorkshire
Marmaduke Kitchen 40 Driffield, Yorkshire, Head Married Horse Driver
Martha E Kitchen 38 Northampton Wife Married
Martha A Kitchen 13 Hury, Yorkshire, Daughter
Henrietta Kitchen 10 Hury, Yorkshire, Daughter
Edith M Kitchen 8 Hury, Yorkshire, Daughter
Marmaduke Kitchen 7 Hury, Yorkshire, Son
Walter Kitchen 6 Hury, Yorkshire, Son
Harriet F Kitchen 4 Spenn, Durham, Daughter
Thos Kitchen 3 Spenn, Durham, Son
John G E Kitchen 1 Mbro, Yorkshire, Son
Hury = Hurry
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/NRY/Romaldkirk/index.html
Births Jun 1887
Kitchen Martha Ann Teesdale 10a 264
Births Sep 1890
Kitchen Henrietta Teesdale 10a 275
Births Jun 1892
Kitchen Edith Mary Teesdale 10a 297
Births Dec 1893
Kitchen Marmaduke Teesdale 10a 269
Births Mar 1895
Kitchen Walter Teesdale 10a 281
Regards
Valda
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1891 census RG12 4082 folio 23
No 1 Hut Balders View Cotherstone Yorkshire
Robt Kitchin 30 Driffield, Yorkshire, Head Married Horse Keeper
Martha Kitchin 27 New Duston, Northamptonshire, Wife Married
Ely Kitchin 6 Harlington, Durham, Son
Gertrude Kitchin 4 Cotherstone, Yorkshire, Daughter
Martha A Kitchin 3? Cotherstone, Yorkshire, Daughter
Mary E Kitchin ? Cotherstone, Yorkshire, Daughter
Henrietta Kitchin 10mths Cotherstone, Yorkshire, Daughter
Wm Kitching 23 Riccall, Yorkshire, Brother
plus 5 boarders and 1 servant
possible
Births Sep 1884
Robins Eli Darlington 10a 3
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Births Mar 1886
KITCHEN Gertrude Teesdale 10a 251
Births Jun 1889
Kitchen Mary Ellen Teesdale 10a 280
Deaths Dec 1891
Kitching Mary Ellen 2 Teesdale 10a 175
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Valda
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Kathc
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Hi Valda
Thank you for taking the trouble to look this family up for me.
I do have the info from another Rootschat member who thinks that the Enumerator for the 1891 census got Marmaduke's name wrong, but how he got Robert and Marmaduke mixed up is beyond me
I have her marriage cert she is age 21 in 1905, on her death cert she was age 56 in 1940.
I have my father-in laws birth cert, and on all three her name is Alice Martha, it is possible that I have the wrong family all together as why was she married in West Derby?
All that I can think of is that she was a servant there, and met John Clews,and they got married, on there marriage cert they are living at the same address.
I have a possible family for John Clews as well, I think he is one of twins, born Wyrley, Staffordshire. but can not confirm that.
There is another mystery, now we know her name was Kitchen, but why give her children the name Kitchener, my father-in laws Name was William Douglas Kitchener Clews, and all of the other children's Cristian names end with the initial K, so why did she give them all the name Kitchener, but to confirm this I would have to get all there birth certs and there are ten of them.
Thank you again Valda Regards Kathc
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Hi Noreen
I wont write it all again, have a look at my reply to Valda.
Regards Kathc
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Valda
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I imagine she named your father-in-law after Lord Kitchener who was a war hero. Without another birth, marriage or death certificate of any of his siblings I can't say whether she was consistent and prefered the surname change from Kitchen to Kitchener though it seems logical.
The census procedure was the census enumerator came round and handed out the schedules and then collected them, writing them for anyone who had difficulty filling them in. He then rewrote them as much as he could from what was written, into his own census enumerator's book. The original household schedules were destroyed (no copying was done from 1911 onwards - only the original schedules exist). A tired census enumerator trying to read peoples' handwriting and spelling means there is plenty of room for errors. People often did not put in their legal names but the names they used in their everyday life - Marmaduke being a bit of a mouthfu,l he might very well have used another name, or the census enumerator just couldn't read the name and made a stab at it.
On Martha's marriage in 1905 if born in 1887 she was under the age of consent to marry, being only just 18. Many people adjusted their age up to 21 on marriage to avoid the need for parental consent. In Martha's case it looks like she continued to maintain the older age.
The second name Ann on the birth certificate could be an error (it would be worth searching for her baptism to see if it was the same) or Martha just prefered the name Alice to Ann. Since the censuses have her as Martha A. it looks like once she left home to work and used the name she prefered, or the name she had been called at home to distinguish her from her mother.
Does her marriage certificate details about her father's occupation confirm his occupation was with horses?
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Valda
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Kathc
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Hi Valda
Perhaps you are correct and his mother was patriotic, I will have to get one of the other siblings birth certs and confirm the name.
On the marriage cert, it only gives the two fathers occupations as Labourers.
Yes I see what you mean about her name, perhaps she didnt like being called Martha, and used her second name as her first.
I suppose young people where just as contrary in those days as they are now.
If I do find her birth, I will let you know but don't hold your breath, and thank you again for all your help.
Regards Kathc
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Valda
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You have the birth registration
Births Jun 1887
Kitchen Martha Ann Teesdale 10a 264
It would be her baptism to see if her name is given differently - it would probably be in the Cotherstone parish registers.
I wasn't thinking the addition or lengthening of the name Kitchen to Kitchener was about being patriotic (which might explain the name in one child's name), more about elevating yourself and your family by association - trying to give your children a better start in life.
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Valda
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