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Topic: Lincoln woman needed to make man happy! (Read 1145 times)
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miltonbank
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Hi guys
Sorry for the dramatic subject header  but can anyone help me trace a Lincolnshire woman from the 1850s whose surname I don't even know?
I'm trying to trace a woman known only at this stage by her 'married' name, Sarah MacBeth. In the 1901 census she was listed as aged 48, making her date of birth approximately 1853 and the only further information I have is that she was born in the village of Welton Le Marsh. Her first name may also have been Sarah Ann.
Unfortunately, I cannot look at a marriage certificate because I believe she was a common law wife who posted herself as married in the census to 'husband' William as a face-saving exercise, common with those who were raised in the Victorian era.
All help gratefully received - from male or female!
Many thanks in advance.
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nanny jan
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Hi miltonbank,
Did Sarah and "husband" William have any children? If so her "maiden" name should be on the birth certificate.
I have a couple like this on one of my lines; on all 10 childrens' birth certs and the husband's death cert she used her "married " name!
Nanny Jan
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Howard , Viney , Kingsman, Pain/e, Rainer/ Rayner, Barham, George, Wakeling (Catherine), Vicary (Frederick) all LDN area/suburbs Ottley/ MDX,
Henman/ KNT Gandy/LDN before 1830 Burgess/LDN
Barham/SFK Rainer/CAN (Toronto)
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miltonbank
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Hi Nanny Jan
Unfortunately, no. They appear to have 'got together' in their forties so no kids for them. I've tried tracing a death certificate for her under the name MacBeth, but with no joy yet, hence the search for the maiden name to see if it can cast some light.
Thanks for the suggestion anyway.
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Necromancer
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Pity there were no kids ...
too many choices - from the 1861 census - assuming she used the same PoB and no mistranscriptions ....
Sarah Blackburn 1855 Welton, Lincolnshire Daughter Welton Le Wold Lincolnshire
Sarah Borman 1852 Welton, Lincolnshire Daughter Welton Le Wold Lincolnshire
Sarah Coulson 1851 Welton, Lincolnshire Daughter Welton Lincolnshire
Sarah Dawber 1853 Welton, Lincolnshire Daughter Welton Lincolnshire
Sarah Hewson 1852 Welton, Lincolnshire Daughter Welton Le Wold Lincolnshire
Sarah R Hornby 1851 Welton, Lincolnshire Daughter Welton Lincolnshire
Sarah Lorrance 1855 Welton, Lincolnshire Daughter Cherry Willingham Lincolnshire
Sarah Ann Roe 1855 Welton, Lincolnshire Daughter Welton Lincolnshire
Sarah Walker 1854 Welton, Lincolnshire Daughter Welton Lincolnshire
Sarah Ann Willerton 1851 Welton, Lincolnshire Daughter Welton Lincolnshire
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miltonbank
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Thanks Newfy . . . I looked at a Lincolnshire Street Atlas and saw Welton le Marsh was such a small place I thought she might have been easier to trace; no such luck. I'll maybe try to find a connection with the Sarah Anns as a first port of call. More questions than answers - isn't research always thus!
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Geoff E
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Too many Weltons! 
Welton by Lincoln - about 5 miles N of Lincoln.
Welton le Wold is 3 miles W of Louth.
Welton le Marsh is between Skegness and Spilsby ... census piece 2376 in 1861
Sarah's born in Welton le Marsh 1845-55 - remembering that she was older than Wm McB, she may have "reduced" her age ...
Sarah R(ebecca) HORNBY 1850
Sarah KIRKMAN 1845 - married Esau EVISON - still with him in 1901.
Sarah Ann MACKINDER 1845 - still single in 1901
Not much help
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Necromancer
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Take your point Geoff - I produced my list by using WELTON* in the Birth field .....
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miltonbank
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Hi guys
I received a reply this morning from Bradford Archives - Sarah Ann had spent a spell in the workhouse there in 1915. The archivist wrote the creed register shows Sarah Ann, husband's name William, admitted herself to Bradford Workhouse on March 3 1915. Her date of birth was listed as 1859 and before admission she lived with her sister (also listed on the creed register as nearest relative) at 149 Manningham Lane, Bradford. The sister's name was Adelaide Townsend.
The best Adelaide Townsend 'fit' (assuming Adelaide was single) appears to be based in earlier census records around the Leeds area, which is taking us further away from Welton Le Marsh and Lincolnshire. All advice gratefully received!
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Geoff E
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I think Adelaide will lead us to the answer
1901
5 Ebor St, Bradford
Adolph TOWNSEND 47 Keeper of Servants Registry, Alford Lincs
Adelaide  47 Welton le Marsh
Marriages Mar 1876
LUCAS Adalaide Clemence Bradford, Y. 9b 283
TOWNSEND Adolphe Bradford Y 9b 283
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miltonbank
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Magic, thanks Geoff!
So, in effect, Sarah Ann's 'maiden' name appears to be Lucas? However, I don't understand the frown next to Adelaide's name? Are you unhappy with her age in 1901, which is given as 47? It seems to fit with Sarah - she was listed as aged 48 in 1901 census and while there are various discrepancies with her birth and year of birth, they are all within five/six years of each other.
I'll try to trace death reference for Sarah Ann Lucas around the 1915-25 period. I have a sad feeling she wouldn't have lived much longer . . . .
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Geoff E
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The was because three question marks automatically generates that smilie - I meant there was a word that I couldn't read.
I think I must chase this family 
1871
Welton le Marsh
James SYLVESTER 66 AgLab, Sloothby
Sarah Ann 46 Sloothby
Adelaide 16 Dressmaker, Welton
Hanes (male) 14 Welton
Sarah Ann 12 Welton
Adolphe 11 Welton
Susan FROST (Niece) 19 Orby
I wonder how many Adolphe's there were in that corner of Lincs?
Marriages Sep 1856
LUCAS Sarah Ann Spilsby 7a 833
Sylvester James Spilsby 7a 833
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avm228
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So, in effect, Sarah Ann's 'maiden' name appears to be Lucas?
This doesn't necessarily mean the maiden name was Lucas - Adelaide might have been married before.
In 1871 there is a SYLVESTER family in Welton le Marsh with a 16 yr old daughter Adelaide and a 12 yr old daughter Sarah Ann (among other children) who might well merit further investigation: RG10/3394 folio 67 p15.
Edited - sorry, Geoff E. - cross-posted with you - great minds think alike
Anna
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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avm228
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Adolph Sylvester then names his daughter Adelaide Clemence Sylvester (Adelaide C. per 1891 census) - birth Mar 1886 Spilsby Lincs - which makes it very likely this family is linked to the Bradford census entry for Adelaide Clemence Townsend.
Anna
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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Geoff E
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1861
Welton
James SYLVESTER 46 AgLab, Willoughby
Sarah Ann 38 Sloothby
Charles HANES 10
Edward SYLVESTER 12
Adelaide 6
Hanes 4
Sarah 3
Adolphe 6m
Sarah Ann had been married before
Marriages Jun 1851
Hanes Sarah Ann Spilsby 14 1135
Lucas John Spilsby 14 1135
I can't find a death or burial for John LUCAS (the 1857 death was an infant)
I can see no birth for Adelaide but, as she was born between the 2 marriages, she would have been a LUCAS of course.
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