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Topic: Lincoln woman needed to make man happy! (Read 1157 times)
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miltonbank
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Confusing, isn't it?!
So far, I am taking from the information that Sarah Ann and Adelaide were probably half-sisters (same mother, different fathers) because Adelaide's surname was Lucas when she married in 1876 (the same name as the mother's first husband, John Lucas).
Isn't it intriguing that Adelaide married an Adolph(e) (Townsend) in 1876 - the same name as her younger (half) brother.
Is that a fair an accurate assessment of previous posts?
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Geoff E
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Re "just a coincidence", I've changed my mind
A baptism
COTNAM HAINES TOWNSEND - where did he come from?
21 FEB 1869 Saint Michael-Le-Belfry, York, Yorkshire, England, son of Cotnam TOWNSEND and Julie Adele.
Some marriages
Marriages Jun 1846
Hanes Chule Adele Spilsby 14 1067 (She died in 1857, then he married Mary JACKSON)
Townsend Cotnam Spilsby 14 1067
There's some funny things going on!
1851
Sutton St Mary
Cotnam TOWNSEND 25 Stationer Etc, Whaplode
Julie Adle 29 Sloothby
Sarah 4
Margaret 3
Julie Adele 11m
Kids born Long Sutton.
So the first Mrs TOWNSEND and (the second) Mrs SYLVESTER were sisters - piece o' cake!
And Sarah Ann HANES had an illegitimate daughter Julie Adele HANES with John LUCAS in 1846.
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miltonbank
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Now come on Geoff, play fair I feel like a kid who is just learning to count with his fingers has been planted in the middle of a discussion with Albert Einstein on applied mathematics!
You lost me on the "coincidence - I don't think so" line!
Can you explain it to me like the dork I am and stop the guys in the office wondering why I've been scratching my head for the last 10 minutes and gazing into the middle distance every in a study of concentrated angst! 
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Geoff E
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It's so simple really  Julie Adele and Sarah Ann HANES were sisters.
Julie Adele married Cotnam TOWNSEND and one of their children was Adolphe TOWNSEND.
Sarah Ann (eventually) married John LUCAS and they had a child Adelaide Clemence LUCAS.
Adolphe TOWNSEND and Adelaide LUCAS later married. By my reckoning, they were first cousins.
As stated earlier, Adelaide was half-sister to the Sarah Ann who later shacked up with your Mr McBETH.
My only questions now (you do not need to concern yourself with them) ...
Who was this Cotnam TOWNSEND who turned up in 1859?
Where was Sarah Ann SYLVESTER between 1871 and 1901?
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avm228
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Where was Sarah Ann SYLVESTER between 1871 and 1901?
In 1881 (as Sarah A. SYLVESTER) she was with Adolphe and Adelaide TOWNSEND in Bradford: RG11/4460 folio 44 p9.
Anna
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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Tjapaltjarri
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Wahey,
I have an interest in this thread. My daughter-in-law recently produced us a grandson and inter alia it came up that his other grandfather on his mother's side had the unusial middle name of grimalde.
So after a day or two of fossicking as to where this might have originated I came to John Usher marrying Sarah Ann Farmer in 1875. Sarah Ann Farmer had two brothers named Grimalde Farmer who both died in infancy. So some progress.
Sarah Anne's mum was Elizabeth Townsend b Holbeach ca 1831/2. She I think had two brothers Cotnam Townsend b Whaplode ca 1825/6 and Grimalde Townsend, christened Holbeach 1833. I suspect that they shared common parents in George & Sarah (Fields) Townsend.
On the 1841 census, Cotnam, it seems to me appears on the same page as his grandfather, Cotnam Fields as an apprentice newspaper printer and editor, in Holbeach under the name of Thomas Townsend - a common foible amongst the young who shun the unusual names foisted on them by their parents :-). Grimalde Usher was no different - went by the name of James!
Sarah Fields was the daughter of Cotnam Fields and Ann Grimalde who married in Holbeach ca 1794
So someone, somewhere on ancestry has either surmised the same as I about Cotnam Townsend's origins or sought the original parish records for Whaplode but they also give George and Sarah (Fields) as his parents.
HTH,
Howdie (in the chatroom)
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Tjapaltjarri
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Geoff,
Now that's what I call fossicking.
I hadn't thought of looking at Freegen for ages as all I ever came up with was a lemon, and your posting has answered a lot of queries.
Fossicking is like setting up a lamp and a sheet and seeing what moths appear  - the Freegen lists are like lamps and have illuminated several of my trees.
If only I could find out where the Grimaldes came from originally. Ann Grimalde ca 1771 seems to have been a brick wall for many another and I am left wondering whether some of them changed their names to something more 'English' like Grimwood, Greenwood, Grimer etc. as despite being on IGI back to 16th century in Holbeach the records do not show any continuity and I am wondering if they were recusants.
Best,
Tjapaltjarri
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