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ozwendy
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Re: SIT: Suggestion Box
« Reply #30 on: Tuesday 29 March 05 02:59 UTC (UK) »

Hi

I think this is a brilliant idea! I have just entered my names with the town/city and county in the comments area and have already come up with someone who has three of the same name interests in the same area. So we will probably find some connection there somewhere. I had, just yesterday, found someone who maybe a second cousin because they noticed my name interests at the bottom of my posts, butthe table is a much more direct and easier way to go about finding connections. The only thing I can suggest is to tell people, explicitly, to put the towns and counties in the comments area after their individual name interests as, especially with common names, as this makes the match up easier.

Good work!
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Re: SIT: Suggestion Box
« Reply #31 on: Tuesday 29 March 05 07:36 UTC (UK) »

I agree with all the comments made by all you Rootschatters, but I do think it is very important to put a place name/area especially where the surname is a very common one.

I have hundreds of Welsh JONES in my tree, with repeating christian names Sad which can make searching a real headache.  Just putting in JONES from WALES is like looking for a tiny needle in a huge haystack!!!! LOL

Apart from that, the SIT is a wonderful idea and Bob should be very proud of himself Grin


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Re: SIT: Suggestion Box
« Reply #32 on: Tuesday 29 March 05 07:55 UTC (UK) »

I would argue that the primary objective of SIT is to get information out, rather than in.  Obviously data input is vital - but it's not an end in itself.  As early testers, we should be scrutinising the output to ensure it's going to meet researchers' needs for a few years to come.

There'll probably never be a problem with the rarer surnames, but if you take a look at the search results for SMITH it can already be seen that the user will need a further option to filter or search within these results.  It won't be long before that list of Rootschatters will be ten times as long and changing the layout will only do a bit to make it more readable.

We could of course depend upon the programmers to continue to be brilliant (which they are!) and develop a sophisticated mechanism to parse search strings and return meaningful results.  Or we could let them off the hook and make sure that the data going in is of reasonable quality.

My suggestion would be for five fields -
Surname
County of Interest (a standardised dropdown list - headed by ALL)
Town or Village (freeform text - could be left blank)
Earliest Year of Interest (could be left blank)
Latest Year of Interest (could be left blank)

The main constraint with this system is that people who are interested in a surname in multiple counties would have to enter it multiple times.  But this is already standard practice with many FHS surname lists and should not be too onerous.

By standardising counties in particular, this surname list would benefit from potential tie-ins to the county-based structure of the rest of Rootchat. 

I hope this is a helpful addition to the debate.

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Re: SIT: Suggestion Box
« Reply #33 on: Tuesday 29 March 05 09:48 UTC (UK) »

I've now entered all my names and it looks like I may have a couple of possible matches...  Grin Grin

However, this is mainly because of entering counties which I have also found problematic. 

I agree with areas being necessary for more common names but I really don't like the idea of having to enter each name with a single county or 'all'. 

For example:

One of my names is Randell or Rendall or Rendell or Randle or Rendle or even Rundle.  My branch were only in Somerset from abt 1875 but there was a sighting in Devon in 1870 and mention of Devon as a place of birth in one census (the others saying N/K).  So I have put Somerset and Devon as places in the SIT, but for all I know at this stage, they could originate in Dorset or Cornwall or elsewhere.  Can you imagine having to enter all those combinations in an attempt to find a match  Huh Huh  I can't say 'All' because over the UK as a whole there are too many branches.  I could just wait to enter this name until I know more but that way I will probably miss out and not reach that stage anyway. 

Another issue is whether this site is exclusive to the UK?  I know I have 'cousins' in the US, Canada and Australia.  I am very interested in tracing these branches of my tree so if places are going to be compulsory are we going to need a country as well? 

As for searching the SIT - when the full version 'goes live' will it be included in the general 'Rootschat Search' ?

Just a few of my thoughts, I don't mean to sound negative.  I think it's excellent so far and I'm just off to PM my two new contacts...lucky them   Wink

Debbie

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Re: SIT: Suggestion Box
« Reply #34 on: Tuesday 29 March 05 15:49 UTC (UK) »


However, this is mainly because of entering counties which I have also found problematic. 

I agree with areas being necessary for more common names but I really don't like the idea of having to enter each name with a single county or 'all'. 

Hi Debbie,

One way round this would be to put an area?  Maybe in your example put South West England or list counties in the three letter codes - SOM, DEV, DOR etc

I have a problem with Having three lines of Robinson - one in Anglesey, Wales one in Longtown, England and one connected to the latter but not the former in Lochmaben, Scotland.  I just plumped for the Cumberland one as "all" is too big.

Pam
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Re: SIT: Suggestion Box
« Reply #35 on: Tuesday 29 March 05 16:56 UTC (UK) »

Hi all

I added my name interests with no problem, but listing them made me wonder as one "Sussex and Hampshire 1800-1900"  looks kinda untidy. I noticed that listing all who share the same names, most have no area or dates.

Is there a suggestion for a better way ?

Linda
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Re: SIT: Suggestion Box
« Reply #36 on: Tuesday 29 March 05 18:25 UTC (UK) »

Bob,

Was thinking, when for instance one lists surname interests would it be a good idea instead of going to a PM when clicking on another members name to perhaps opening their profile ?

Just a thought ..
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Re: SIT: Suggestion Box
« Reply #37 on: Tuesday 29 March 05 19:17 UTC (UK) »

Jonathan,

funnily enough, that was my first idea too !!  (see somewhere in the first pages of this thread)  where I said " .... so they can then send this member a PM", and then SS from the Rhondda suggested going straight to the PM, which I did !!

I am easy, one small change and it's done !!

But: "....  and now, after repeated public demand, we present ...... "  Grin  Grin

 

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Re: SIT: Suggestion Box
« Reply #38 on: Saturday 23 April 05 15:39 UTC (UK) »

He every one
I have just added some more name interests,as said at the moment it's not much use contacting  anyone looking for, Jones Manchester (no clues)? So this time i have put for instance

Baron Richard B. B/Burn1868 P Jane, George
Baron James B.Rishton 1881 P.Richard,Jane

Don't know if this will work because no Baron's enlisted so far but early day yet, great site

Celia
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Suggestion for surname interests table
« Reply #39 on: Wednesday 08 June 05 15:18 UTC (UK) »

Can I make a plea for someone to consider spelling variations in a name? I have two problemmatical names in my tree: one is variously spelled Hazelrigg, Hesilrigg, Hesilrigge, Heselrigg amongst others, the other is Laybourn, Laybourne, Leybourn, Leybourne. It is highly likely that there are some lines that have followed one spelling and others, another.

Is there anything that can easily be done to allow people entering one variant to pick up people following another? Presumably one can simply put in a note saying that people should check spelling variations, but whilst that is fine when the table is in its infancy, I am sure it will mushroom over time.
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Re: Suggestion for surname interests table
« Reply #40 on: Wednesday 08 June 05 15:24 UTC (UK) »

Good one Nick

I have several names that vary over time too

Over to you Berlin-Bob

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Re: Suggestion for surname interests table
« Reply #41 on: Wednesday 08 June 05 16:01 UTC (UK) »

Hi,

Here is one possibility, that is already available:

Find a "common" bit and look for that. 
This will catch some (but not all)variations !

For instance, using Nick's examples,

enter "rigg" and click on "within word"  (or "rig" for variations with one R)
enter "bourn" and click on "within word" (follow up with "born" for more variations)

Anything more sophisticated than that will require a lot of programming !!

Hope this helps,
Bob

ps:  I'm merging this into the SIT Suggestion Box.
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Re: SIT: Suggestion Box
« Reply #42 on: Sunday 17 July 05 08:40 UTC (UK) »

Hi All,

I've now got round to implementing some, yes, some, of your suggestions  Smiley

See this topic:
Topic: SIT-News: Search by County, search by Place
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,73944.0.html

Keep the suggestions coming - who knows what I will have a go at next  Grin
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Re: SIT: Suggestion Box
« Reply #43 on: Thursday 29 September 05 20:22 UTC (UK) »


I've now got round to implementing some more of your your suggestions

Which means you can now search for County and Place name !!

see
Topic: Surname Interests Table
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,89589.0.html
for more details

Bob
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Re: SIT: Suggestion Box
« Reply #44 on: Thursday 17 August 06 19:04 UTC (UK) »

As a result of a suggestion from Casalguidi,

I have now renamed the EDIT button to

hope this makes life easier  Smiley

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