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Re: John Tonks
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 11 March 06 15:39 GMT (UK) »

hmmmmmmmmmm dont know if this is your family or not???
lost the plot half way through your postings  Grin
living at west brom staffs in 1851-
john tonks 51yrs  caster in iron born oldbury worcs
martha wife 50yrs
john son 14yrs caster in iron born oldbury worcs
phoebe daughter 11yrs born oldbury worcs.
if this is the correct family father john is living with married daughter phoebe in a later cencus
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durham- marshall,fairbairn
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gloucestershire - stephens
middlesex - chesney
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Re: John Tonks
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 11 March 06 16:35 GMT (UK) »

As far as I can see we are looking for an 1851  John to fit between Bryants' 1841 entry:


1841
BROCKMORE, KINGSWINFORD, STAFFS
EMMA TONKS  25           Y
MARY      "       8             Y
JOHN      "       6             Y
WILLIAM "       3             Y


and the 1861 from the original posting

1861
Brockmoor
John Tonks,head,30,engineer at ironworks,Hadley,Worcs
Elizabeth Tonks,wife,31,New Town,Montgomeryshire
Eliza Tonks,dau,7mths,Brockmoor Kingswinford,Staffs
Samuel Tonks,nephew,6,Kidderminster


I can't find any of the 1841 people in 1851. Could they have been off on a boat trip?
And I don't understand why, if this is the same John in '41 and '61, does he give his birth place Worcestershire (around Stourport area) if he and all his siblings were bpt Brierley Hill and he grew up in Brockmoor Huh
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Re: John Tonks
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 11 March 06 19:25 GMT (UK) »

The 1841 census is the correct John and Emma. The John and Elizabeth above of the 61 census is a red herring. I need to locate John and Emma Tonks in 1851. I have recently found that their son, Reuben born 1852, was living with relatives in 1861.

Thank you very much for looking

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Re: John Tonks
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 12 March 06 06:52 GMT (UK) »

i can find no sign of an emma tonks in 1851 sorry  Sad
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Re: John Tonks
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 12 March 06 12:03 GMT (UK) »

Bob

I've also searched 1851 for them, no luck.

Perhap's like some of my boatmen ancestors they were
missed off census due to the nature of their occupation.

                   Good luck and plenty of it!

                             Jackie.
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Dudley Worcs:Ellis Durkin Oakley Rich Smith
Baggot Saunders Turner Williams Hobbs
Harts Hill: Baggot Wright

Tipton:Whitehouse (boatman) Timmins
Yorkshire:Littlewood Wilcockson
Derbyshire:Wilcockson

Derby Belper:Spencer
Herefordshire Brampton Bryan:-Turner

Worcs. Hereford. Gloucs.
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Radnorshire: Meredith
Bristol Somerset: Box

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Re: John Tonks
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 12 March 06 12:37 GMT (UK) »

Bob
      From I.G.I index

Baptisms Brierley Hill

Heziah     Tonks 13 june 1830
Mary         ---       9  ---    1833
John         --        29mar.  1835
William      --       20aug.  1837
Joseph      --       10nov    1839
Ann Maria   --       5feb      1843

Parents John-Emma Tonks

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Dudley Worcs:Ellis Durkin Oakley Rich Smith
Baggot Saunders Turner Williams Hobbs
Harts Hill: Baggot Wright

Tipton:Whitehouse (boatman) Timmins
Yorkshire:Littlewood Wilcockson
Derbyshire:Wilcockson

Derby Belper:Spencer
Herefordshire Brampton Bryan:-Turner

Worcs. Hereford. Gloucs.
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Radnorshire: Meredith
Bristol Somerset: Box

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Re: John Tonks
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 12 March 06 14:10 GMT (UK) »

Alli   Thanks for looking.  Bob

Jackie  You have found the corect family. Joseph died at about 2 weeks old. William is the only one I have ever traced. He was also a boatman and I have followed his history until his death in 1900 at Malkins Bank Cheshire. My G Grandfather Reuben was born 1852 in Brockmore and lived with his Uncle and Aunt in West Bromwich until he married in 1877. He was not a boatman.

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Re: John Tonks
« Reply #22 on: Saturday 21 June 08 22:10 BST (UK) »

Bryant

Emma Tonks , 1841 Census, is my GG Grandmother. She was christened Emma Beddall in 1814 at Brierley Hill. She married John Tonks in 1828 at St thomas Dudley.

All the birth records of the children Mary John William etc show John as a Boatman.

My G Grandfather, Reuben Tonks, was born in Brockmore in 1852.

Can you see John and Emma in the 1851 census?

Bob

A little off-topic, sorry, but I have a question regarding John Tonks baptised in St. Thomas Dudley: Have you traced his Tonks family before this? My ancestor Thomas Gwinnutt/Gwinnett Tonks was baptised in St. Thomas Dudley in 1829 to a William and Mary Tonks, I wondered if my William and your John could have been related? Twenty four years later William was a brass finisher, I don't know if he would have been back then though, does it ring any bells?

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Re: John Tonks
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 22 June 08 08:36 BST (UK) »

Hello Bob

An oldie this is! ..........Matthew resurrecting it

However.........
I still can't see the 1851! one day I might splash out  Grin
I had a quick look again at the post and found......
ANN MARIA TONK is a name that crosses the generation gap.......so if the name was ANN MARIA TONK I would have thought they would have originated from the same family?

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I believe the reason you can't find Emma Tonks in 1851 is she is about to/or has taken on a new surname .........
EMMA TONKS appears to marry DANIEL JUKES within the Dudley R.D (Brierley Hill is part of that) in the Sep qtr of 1851.
Daniel Jukes is a 57 year old widower by the time the 1861 census comes along and the reason for that is......
Emma & Daniel had a baby daughter Emma in 1855........the birth process killing both of them.....one in the June qtr and one in the Sept qtr........Dudley R.D


I do have concerns with the reasoning above......the main one being your gr grandfather who appears to be born in the Dec qtr of 1852....Stourbridge R.D, Worcestershire (which surprisingly also encompasses Brierley Hill) which would mean that Emma that married Daniel wouldn't/shouldn't be the mother of Reuben!

I also noted that a JOHN REUBEN TONKS died in the Sep qtr of 1852......Walsall R.D does it have any significance...I pass on that one!

Obviously you now need the 1851 census to confirm this (it might be total rubbish?)........looking for JUKES of Dudley in 1851

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