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seahall
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Remembering those care free days of childhood
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 Hi Trisah
I have helped someone out with the Ragsdale fo Oundle can you say more about which line as I have some jpeg's that maybe of help.
Cheers Sandy
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Geoff Chew
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Hello Trisha
Just saw your message today -- I haven't used rootschat before. Your marriage between Elizabeth COALES and Richard RAGSDALE took place at Thorpe Achurch by licence (30 Oct 1811) with John COALES, Ann COALES, Catherine COALES, L. BALL and A. BALL as witnesses; these people were nonconformists. Elizabeth COALES (baptised 6 Jul 1786) was the eldest daughter of John COALES (1759-1829) and Elizabeth CHEW (b. 1783). The father of that Elizabeth CHEW, Joseph CHEW (1741-1804), was a younger brother of Thomas CHEW (1733-1814), my 4x great-grandfather. Their father was John CHEW (1711-1784), and their mother was another RAGSDALE, Elizabeth RAGSDALE (c.1711-1789).
I can provide further details if you like. Some of the details, especially of the COALESes, are also in John Coales's book, "Twelve Generations: Gleanings from the Coales Family Archives" (Somerton, Somerset, 2000).
Best wishes
Geoff CHEW
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Northants: CHEW, TEBBUTT, RAGSDALE, WILSON, BAKER, FRENCH, CUMBERLAND Cumberland: BIRKETT, HODGSON, ROBINSON, TODHUNTER, TOLSON Angus: DAND, LOW London: CHEW, CHADWICK, PERRIN Surrey: CHADWICK, GARRET South Africa: JEFFREY, JEFFERIES, BIRKETT, CHEW, COMRIE, WALKER, DAND, MACPHERSON, SMITH Wilts: BULLOCK, JEFFERIES Census transcriptions are Crown Copyright from www.NationalArchives.gov.uk------------------------------------------------------------- |
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Geoff Chew
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First things first. The Elizabeth RAGSDALE I mentioned previously (c.1711-1789), wife of John CHEW (1711-1784), was the daughter of a Richard RAGSDALE who was buried at Thorpe Achurch on 25 Nov 1737 (Thorpe A registers). I don't know when he was born or who his wife was, nor what other children they had. It seems a bit unlikely that this is your Richard RAGSDALE, given the gap before the date your will was proved. But I would be glad to have a go at reading the document if you can send me an image (I can usually tease out the handwriting in these documents).
The surnames you mention are all unknown to me apart from BELLAMY, a well-known family in the Thorpe Achurch/Wadenhoe area: a William BELLAMY of Polebrook married a Rebecca CHEW on 24 Apr 1797 at Thorpe Achurch.
One of my distant relations on the CHEW side has the Thorpe Achurch fiches -- I don't myself, but clearly need to trawl through them sorting out the RAGSDALEs in them.
Best wishes
Geoff
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Northants: CHEW, TEBBUTT, RAGSDALE, WILSON, BAKER, FRENCH, CUMBERLAND Cumberland: BIRKETT, HODGSON, ROBINSON, TODHUNTER, TOLSON Angus: DAND, LOW London: CHEW, CHADWICK, PERRIN Surrey: CHADWICK, GARRET South Africa: JEFFREY, JEFFERIES, BIRKETT, CHEW, COMRIE, WALKER, DAND, MACPHERSON, SMITH Wilts: BULLOCK, JEFFERIES Census transcriptions are Crown Copyright from www.NationalArchives.gov.uk------------------------------------------------------------- |
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Geoff Chew
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Hello Susan
Yes, I suspect we may have talked before.
If the will is dated 1711 with power being given to Damaris Ragsdale/dell in December 1737, given that my Richard Ragsdale/dell died in November 1737, I think your will has to be that of my Richard Ragsdale/dell, one of my 6x great-grandfathers. I would very much like to see it and try to make sense of it. This means that the Ragsdales I was telling you about are the same ones that you were telling me about.
I'm very pleased to make this connection. And I hope over the next few days to be able to flesh out the connections from the Thorpe Achurch registers. (One or both of us should also contact Alan Clarke to search his database of Northants marriages pre 1837
for RAGSDALE marriages.)
Cheers
Geoff
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Northants: CHEW, TEBBUTT, RAGSDALE, WILSON, BAKER, FRENCH, CUMBERLAND Cumberland: BIRKETT, HODGSON, ROBINSON, TODHUNTER, TOLSON Angus: DAND, LOW London: CHEW, CHADWICK, PERRIN Surrey: CHADWICK, GARRET South Africa: JEFFREY, JEFFERIES, BIRKETT, CHEW, COMRIE, WALKER, DAND, MACPHERSON, SMITH Wilts: BULLOCK, JEFFERIES Census transcriptions are Crown Copyright from www.NationalArchives.gov.uk------------------------------------------------------------- |
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Geoff Chew
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Hi Sue
Glad to see that 1747 for that will is not a real date: the will was signed 13 Jan 1711 and proved a month or so after Richard RAGSDELL's death on 24 Dec 1737. Lots of detail about the family:
Richard (d. 1737) RAGSDELL is married to Elizabeth ?, named as his executrix, but she dies between 1711 and 1731, when he remarries (2 Oct 1731, Thorpe Achurch) Damaris HOWKIN. Damaris is then allowed to execute the will in 1737 at his death. No children of either marriage are named as beneficiaries of the will; but there was at least one daughter, Elizabeth (the daughter of his first marriage), born in about 1711, who must have been born after the will was signed (she later married John CHEW, 18 Mar 1732 at Thorpe Achurch).
Richard's will implies he had several siblings. (1) A brother Thomas had died before 1711, whose son Richard RAGSDELL (the principal beneficiary of the will) lived at Ashton; this could be the Richard RAGSDELL of Oundle who married Mary QUINCEY of Achurch at Thorpe Achurch, 30 Sep 1705, especially given that there is a John QUINCEY named in Richard's will as one of his godchildren, presumably some relation of the younger Richard's through marriage.
(2) A sister Bridgett had three children; he doesn't give their surname.
(3) A sister Elizabeth was married to John ALLMOND of Pilton.
(4) A sister Mary was married to John TOOPE and apparently had a son called Issack Holmes [I don't understand the name Holmes in this context].
(5) Another unnamed sister (presumably having died before 1711) was married to Edward HICKS and seems to have had a daughter Sarah HICKS.
(6) Another unnamed sister (also presumably deceased before 1711) was married to someone HEAD, with four children, Thomas, Robert, James and Mary; this Mary apparently married someone BELLAMY and had a son John BELLAMY.
Besides this he names:
(1) a Robert RAGSDELL as his nephew (maybe another son of Thomas, given that he doesn't refer to any other brothers), who had died before 1711 (perhaps the Robert RAGSDALE of Ashton who married Anne Gregory at Warmington, 11 March 1699), and Robert's three children;
(2) a Katherine ARMSTED as his niece;
(3) someone HENSON as his aunt.
I've received the Achurch fiches in the post this morning and when I have a few moments will try to flesh this out with the baptisms and burials.
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Northants: CHEW, TEBBUTT, RAGSDALE, WILSON, BAKER, FRENCH, CUMBERLAND Cumberland: BIRKETT, HODGSON, ROBINSON, TODHUNTER, TOLSON Angus: DAND, LOW London: CHEW, CHADWICK, PERRIN Surrey: CHADWICK, GARRET South Africa: JEFFREY, JEFFERIES, BIRKETT, CHEW, COMRIE, WALKER, DAND, MACPHERSON, SMITH Wilts: BULLOCK, JEFFERIES Census transcriptions are Crown Copyright from www.NationalArchives.gov.uk------------------------------------------------------------- |
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howkins
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Trisha
I don't know if you can help me but Damaris Howkins who married Richard Ragsdall in the 1730's do you know any more about the Howkins family, I think she had a brother Thomas who married Abigail Flint all Thorpe Achurch area....Hope you can help Regards Gail Hanrahan (Howkins)
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howkins
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Trisha
I think that Richard who married Damaris Howkins is the son of Richard Ragsdall and Mary Quincey they married 1705. Regards Gail
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colesy
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Hello Trisha
Just saw your message today -- I haven't used rootschat before. Your marriage between Elizabeth COALES and Richard RAGSDALE took place at Thorpe Achurch by licence (30 Oct 1811) with John COALES, Ann COALES, Catherine COALES, L. BALL and A. BALL as witnesses; these people were nonconformists. Elizabeth COALES (baptised 6 Jul 1786) was the eldest daughter of John COALES (1759-1829) and Elizabeth CHEW (b. 1783). The father of that Elizabeth CHEW, Joseph CHEW (1741-1804), was a younger brother of Thomas CHEW (1733-1814), my 4x great-grandfather. Their father was John CHEW (1711-1784), and their mother was another RAGSDALE, Elizabeth RAGSDALE (c.1711-1789).
I can provide further details if you like. Some of the details, especially of the COALESes, are also in John Coales's book, "Twelve Generations: Gleanings from the Coales Family Archives" (Somerton, Somerset, 2000).
Best wishes
Geoff CHEW
Geoff, hopefully you still check this... I am researching my Coles, or Coales family roots. I have have a John Coles b. 1752, d. 1817, married Catherine. I can't find any additional info, and my data could be off. I have them down with one son, named George, but they could have had more.
Do you know if your Coales info is connected to this family? If you could share that would be wonderful.
Thanks!
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