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Topic: (Bstl) 1871/1881/1891 Census Lookup Requests Please For Kate Jane Susan Rossiter (Read 519 times)
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...and back to the lady mentioned in the title of this thread.....
1901
Hampstead RG13/122 Folio 147 Page 8
Kate Rossiter (shown as) aged 27 and single from Bristol is described as a Hospital Nurse and she is living as a servant in the household of a Benjamin Beach at 21 Steeles Road, Hamptead.
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william henry bisp rossiter born 16th nov 1878 bapt 26th jan 1879 bristol st phillip and st jacob.parents william henry rossiter and hannah.he is the only one listed on the BIVRI
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Hi
Based on the marriage information kindly provided by Alli, this is possibly the family of William....
1861
Bradford on Avon RG9/1298 Folio 6 Pages 5/6
James Rossiter Head M 45 Gardener Somerset Laverton
Susan do Wife M 41 Somerset Frome
Emily G do Daur U 17 India Rubber Worker Somerset Frome
Edward J do Son U 15 Footman Somerset Coomb Monkton
Frederick do Son 13 ? Somerset Coomb Monkton
William do Son 9 Scholar Sussex ?
Mary E do Daur 7 Scholar Bath
Austen A do Son 4 Scholar Bath
Edmund Organ Father in Law Wid 66 Gloucestershire North Nibley
Mills Street, Bradford on Avon
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Probable Marriage Registration
1842 Frome JAS quarter 10 509
Susan Organ
James Rossiter
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1851
Bath Twerton HO107/1940 Folio 281 Page 5
James Rossiter Head M 35 Gardener Laverton Som
Susan do Wife M 31 Frome Som
Emily do Daur U 7 Scholar Frome Som
Edwd do Son 5 Scholar Monkton Combe Som
Fred do Son 3 Scholar Monkton Combe Som
Willm Organ Bro in Law U 22 Gardener Frome Som
Cottage, Monkton Combe, Somerset
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Hi alli/DS,
Many thanks for that. It seems that I had linked William Henry with the wrong family but James & Susannah from Laverton look right.
In the IGI I have seen James referred to as Jacobi and William Henry as Gulielmus Henricus and suspect that they and the Organ family might be Romanies/travellers which would account for the moving about and the births in different places.
They certainly get about these Rossiters !! LOL!!
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Hi Alli,
Nice to hear from you.
It's very true what they say about being able to choose your friends but not your family.
Wonder if you can adopt a family with an easily traceable family ancestry!! LOL!! Mind you for Somerset Rossiters you should be " Street's" ahead if you'll pardon the pun.
Grey & overcast here. Hope you've still got the sun!!
Best wishes
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Hello,
I've just found these messages by chance while researching Rossiters who were landlords of 3 pubs in Bradford-on-Avon. I can definitely confirm that Kate Jane Susan Rossiter has no connection with James Rossiter of Laverton who married my Great Great Aunt Susan (sometimes called Susanna) Organ. She was born in Frome and her father Edmund was a cloth dresser who married a lady named Susanna Oakes, having moved to Somerset from North Nibley in Gloucestershire with 3 of his brothers. Susan and James had children named Emily, Edward James, Frederick, William, Mary Elizabeth and Austin Alfred. William didn't have the middle name of Henry. There was a William Henry in the family but he had the surname Organ and was Susan's brother.
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Hi Sylvia,
Many thanks for that.
I have James & Susan in my database.
Is there a Romany connection here as I have seen James referred to as Jacobi.
Also in 1851 I have a son Gulielimus Henricus ( born Bruton or Burton) attributed to James & Susan.
Any information would be greatly appreciated. TIA.
Best wishes
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Hello again,
I was fascinated by your e-mail and have been trying (unsuccessfully) to find the 1851 Guliemus Henricus reference. I'd be so grateful if you could let me know where it can be seen.
I do know that Susan Organ's ancestry can be traced back to the 1500s in Gloucestershire and then more recently to Somerset and I don't think that the family would be classed as travellers although there were a few "journeymen" amongst them. I don't know much about James but someone has posted a family tree on the Frome website and it includes the following information about James Rossiter from Laverton, the husband of Susan Organ who married him in Frome (GRO Ref 10 509 Jul-Sep qtr 1842).
William Tucker Rossiter born c.1786 at Norton St Philip.
Spouse : Elizabeth Pearce born c.1787 at Buckland Dinham. Married 9th September 1813 at Buckland Dinham.
Children : James born c.1816 and Mary born 1826 (died 1851).
I think that in order to get a definitive record of where Kate Jane Susan Rossiter fits into your family tree, it would be well worth obtaining a copy of her birth certificate from the GRO. Ref 6a 29 Jul-Sep qtr 1872. I know that someone else suggested this and it is always so interesting to get hold of such documents.
Kind regards,
Sylvia
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Hi Sylvia,
I found the reference on the Latter Day Saints website here.
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/IGI/individual_record.asp?recid=500157485345&lds=1®ion=2®ionfriendly=British+Isles&frompage=99
It could be totally unconnected but it might explain why it's not possible to find them in Somerset in 1851.
There are a lot of Romany Rossiters in Kent so it's possible that it could be a Kent Rossiter recorded the birth.
Let me know what you think.
Best wishes
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Thank you so much for the link.....I had no idea about it and it is very interesting. This clearly is the right couple because in the 1861 Census when James, Susan and family are living in Bradford-on-Avon, William's place of birth is listed as Barlavington, Sussex. This was presumably the estate on which James Rossiter was working as a gardener at the time of William's birth. It is just south of Petworth and Bruton is the adjoining parish.
At the time of the 1851 Census which took place on 30th March, Susan and James Rossiter were living with their children Edward, Emily and Frederick plus Susan's brother William Henry Organ at Monkton Combe. They obviously moved to Sussex soon afterwards which is why their next son was born there a few months later.
I can't find a conventional birth record for a William (aka Gulielmus) Rossiter in 1851 so the birth didn't seem to have been registered in an 'official' way which seems a little strange when the IGI lists a christening on 24th August. All the other children have GRO references. I haven't got a clue about Romany connections whereas you clearly know more than me. I will run all this past some contacts who are knowledgeable in family history and will no doubt be in touch soon.
Thanks again,
Sylvia
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Hi Sylvia,
Thanks so much for that.
At first I thought I might be reading too much into the record given that I'm studying the Rossiters generally and might be hoping for links where there aren't any but it just seemed to be too much of a coincidence as Organ isn't a common name.
However if Gulielimus Henricus Rossiter is the William Henry Rossiter who married Hannah Bisp in Bristol then Kate Jane Susan his daughter will be part of your line.
Given some of the Organ Christian names like Alphonso, Orlando etc I did think that they might be circus folk.
Please keep in touch about this as I would love to resolve this mystery and perhaps find out a little more about James.
Best wishes
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afternoon from sunny somerset rcuser