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Topic: TRAYES/TREASE & OLVAR/OLIVER? PHILLIPS/BURROW (Read 6168 times)
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twilight
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Peter Trease/ Trayes b.1793 Quethioc,Cornwal m ? Margaret Olvar/ Oliver/ birth details unknown:
Known children; Elizabeth,1819 , Margaret,1826, George & Peter, twins 1828.Were there any other children? No sign of Margaret or George in 1841. It is believed Margaret may have died in childbirth along with infant George, but no proof.
Peter married (2) Susan Phillips, East Stonehouse, Devon 1831, they had Emma, 1832
(3) Sibella( Sybella) Burrow, 1851 Stoke Damerel
Peter Snr's parents thought to be Samuel & Mary Trese, possible siblings, Samuel, Mary Bettey, & Ann Treese/ Treize?
I have information about Elizabeth. as I am a direct descendant.
Would be pleased to hear from anyone who can help fill in some of the gaps.
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deb usa
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Hi
I am not sure which gaps you would like filled in 
here is 1851:
Stoke Damerrel
tenement back of Glen(?) street
Peter Trays head wid 51 (could be 57) Sergeant of police B Cornwall Quethioc
Peter son unm 22 shipwright apprentice b Devonport
Emma dau unm 18 housekeeper (crossed out) b Devonport
death :
Susan Treayes
dec quarter 1843 Stoke Damerel
vol 9 pg 297
will look for more
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Hi twilight,
Peter TREAYS = Margaret OLVER 23 Oct 1814 Liskeard
Olver is quite a common Cornish Name, of course Oliver is also so records may be under any variant.
A death record for Margaret would be handy to give us an age. Hope someone can help there.
I have only spotted 3 possible baptisms and none in Quethiock or Liskeard, where I would like to see one.
I can't help with records for this area I am afraid, and can only provide index information on the marriage but at least you now know where and when. The full entry for the marriage will lists things such as if either were from outside the parish at the time of marriage and witness names may help. Also with a marriage in 1814 were there any baptisms in Cornwall before they moved over the border? - 1819 seems quite a wait for the firstborn. You could try the OPC for Liskeard for that.
http://www.cornwall-opc.org/Par_new/l_m/liskeard.php
if she does not have it The CRO will be able to help
http://www.cornwall.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=38205
Quethiock also has an OPC should you need him also
http://www.cornwall-opc.org/Par_new/q_s/quethiock.php
Good Luck
Cheers Kris 
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twilight
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Hi deb,
Apologies for my slow response to your prompt reply, wild weather intervened!
Thank you for the death details for Susan, so many variants of Trayes-- I missed that one, so good to have a second pair of eyes. I have an extra interest in the Phillips family as Elizabeth Trayes granddaughter, Elizabeth (my grandmother) married a Phillips (from Dorset) I wonder if there was any connection?
I had Peter's occupation from Elizabeth's marriage certificate, but now I have an address I will hunt out an old map & see if I can locate Glen? St.
The gaps of special interest--- Margaret & Peter's marriage details which Kris has kindly found ( I will post separate reply), her birth, death & Peter Jr's death & any other children.
Thanks again deb, I will follow up on your finds.
twilight
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twilight
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Hi Kris,
Thank you so much . with a marriage date of 1814, in Liskeard, I guess I should look for a couple of children in Cornwall as well as Peter & Margaret's parents. From IGI I have possible parents for Peter; Samuel & Mary Trese & siblings Samuel, Bettey, Mary Trese & maybe Ann Treese/Treize, all in Quethioc.
Treyes/Trease/Trese/Treese/Treize/Treays/Trays/Treayes----so many variants, but it doesn't appear to be a very common name.
I will check out those links as soon as time permits & maybe I can find parents & siblings for Margaret.
Thanks again, you have been most helpful.
twilight
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Hi Twilight
Hope you are okay after your bad weather ...I saw it on the news over here!
Okay your people are hard to find ...all the variations of the name ! 
I have them in 1841:
Stoke Damerel
Gloucester ? it looks like Ope ...the road before was called Gloucester lane
Peter Treayes 41 Policeman
Susan " 41
Peter " 12
Emma " 8
i am still trying to find them in 1861!!
I did find these deaths:
Sybilla Treays b 1807 died sept Q 1883 stoke Damerel
Peter FREAYS b abt 1794, died june Q 1871 stoke Damerel (age 77)
vol 5b pg 230
Do you think this could be Peter snr?
also of interest in 1861 census
Stoke Damerel
Trays cottage
Samuel Treayes head 73 Born QUETHIOC, CORNWALL
Ann Treayes wife 72 b Cornwall, Menheniot
I will look for more 
deb
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Hi again
okay....
1861:
Stoke Damerel
Birds tennement
Peter TRIAYS head mar 60 Superannated Dock of Police ?? B Cornwall Quethioc
Sibilla wife mar 54
1871:
Stoke Damerel, Morice Town
13 Pym street
Peter TREAYS Head mar 77 Sup. Serg. Pol. Dk Yd
Sibella wife mar 64 b Devon Lipton?
Peter jnr : Can't find his death. There is a Peter Treays (b 1829,b devonport) in the 1871 census living with his wife and children in Kent.
Here is a possible marriage for Emma b 1832
Emma Susan TRAYS June q 1851
vol 9 pg 576
I don't know who she married as there are Tavistock marriages on the same page and then 3 Stoke Dam. marriages ... 2 female names only one male name ... I think the only way to find out who she married is to order the cert!
1881:
Stoke Damerel
12 Pyn street
T..? Robson head widow 75 annuitant b Devon Lifton
sybella TRAYS sister wid 74 Interest of monies as income b Devon, Lifton
I checked to see who was living at no. 13 Pym street...hoping to find Emma ... No luck there
I will look into the Philips side
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Hi Twilight
Can you give me the details of Elizabeth (your grandmother) who married the 'Phillips' from Dorset. Who was his dad, when was he born etc... hopefully we can trace his family back and see if there is a connection to Susan(na) Phillips(2nd wife) who married Peter Trayes/trays in 1831.
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middleton, waterfield, skinner,adams, bray (devon, tiverton,silverton areas)
palmer,slack, smith, carnarton (cornwall)
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Hi
here are more family members
I think this is Peter snr's (b 1794 Quethiock) brother Samuel and family
1841
Stoke Damerel
Swilley
Samuel TRAYS 50 farmer Not born in county
Ann 50 not born in county
William 15 blacksm app born in county
Mary 14 BIC
Elijah 13 BIC
Maria 10 BIC
1851;
Stoke Damerel
Middle Swilly ..... could also be Sivilly??
Samuel GRAYS head mar 63 superanuated from H M dock yard above that is ?? 6 acres b Quethiock
Ann wife mar 63 b Quethioc
Maria dau unm 19 b Stoke Damerel
(their surname GRAYs is definitely TRAYS ) 
I also found this christening on IGI
Samuel TREISE 18 Aug 1751 St Gennys Cornwall
Father; PETER TREISE
maybe this is Peter snr b 1794 , father and Grandfather.
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Hi again
re Peter Trays b 1828 Stoke Damerel .....
In 1841: Peter jnr(12) is living with his dad Peter Snr, Susan and Emma;.
In 1851: Peter jnr is with Peter Snr and Emma, he is a shipwright app b Devonport.
In 1871;
62 James street, Minster, Kent
Peter TREAYS head mar 42 shipwright, b Devonport
Caroline Catherine Amelia wife mar 44 b Devonport
Eliza Jane dau 14 b Bromley Kent
William son 12 b kent
THEN....
1861
Spring Garden Passage?, Minster Kent
Peter SYCAYS (sic) head mar 32 shipwright b devonport
Catherine wife mar 34 b Morice town Devon
Eliza J dau 4 scholar b Middlesex, Bromley
William son 2 b Kent
Marriage:
Peter TREAYS
Catherine Amelia BUCHAN
Jun Q 1854
Poplar, London, Middlesex
vol 1c pg 1003
1881:
14 Lower James street, Minster, kent
PeterTREAYS head mar 52 shipwright (leading man) b devonport
Catherine A wife mar 54 B Devonport
William son unm 22 engine fitter b kent, Sheerness
I am looking around in 1891...can't seem to find them ...will look for deaths...
deb
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Hi
Okay
1891:
High street, Minster
Catherine KEAYS (sic) head wid 63 Living on own means b devonport
1901:
Sheppey, Minster, Sheerness
Eliza J EVANS head wid 43 dressmaker b London
Robert H or W son single 19 app joiner b Kent, Sheerness
George son single 6 b Kent
Catherine A TREAYS mother wid 73 b Devonport
Deaths:
Peter TREAYS b abt 1829 died 1886
Camberwell, London, Surrey
Vol 1d pg 481
Peter TREAYS died Mar Q 1865 Sheppey, Kent (maybe a child of peter and Catherine).... vol 2a pg 499
Marriage:
Eliza Jane TREAYS
Robert EVANS
Sept 1878 Sheppey Kent
vol 2a pg 1236
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Hi deb,
ThanKs ever so much -- while I have been sleeping, my family has grown!!.
It will take me a while to get my head around all your finds. It is a public holiday here today, family arriving shortly, so will send you a PM as soon as I am free, re my other Phillips family. I cannot thank you enough! You have been an enormous help.
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Hi
It seems that when I wake up , you go to sleep.... 
I thought I would look for the family of Margaret Olver Trayes b 1826. This is what I have found so far....
Marriage:
Margaret Oliver Treayes
Thomas Pearn Sambell
Mar quarter 1846 Stoke Damerel
vol 9 pg 509
1851:
Stoke Damerel
8 Cannon street
Margaret Sambells head mar 24 shipwrights wife b Devonport
Can't find her husband
1861:
Deptford, Kent
Loving Edward Lane
Thomas Sambell head mar 35 ships carpenter b Devonport
Margaret wife mar 34 b Devonport
William son 9 scholar b Devonport
Emma dau 6 scholar b deptford Kent
Banjamin son 4 "
Mary dau 1 "
1871
Stoke damerel
10 Ordnance street
Thomas Sambell head mar 45 Shipwright b devonport
Margaret wife mar 44 b devonport
William son unm 18 seaman b Devonport
Banjamin son unm 14 errand boy b Kent
Clarrissa dau unm 123 scholar b Kent
Fanny dau 8 scholar b Kent
1881
Stoke Damerel
27 Pembroke street
Thos Sambell Head mar 54 shipwright H M dock yard b Devonport
Margaret wife mar 53 b Devonport
William son unm 29 seaman RN
Fanny dau 18 dressmaker
deaths:
Margaret Oliver Sambell b 1826
died June quarter 1884 Stoke Damerel
vol 5b pg 226
Thomas Pearn Sambell
b 1826, died sept q 1902
Devonport vol 5b pg 187
okay ...now this is strange .... kris , are you there?
death:
Benjamin Oliver/Olver Sambell
b1800 died Dec Q 1877
Launceston, Cornwall
vol 5c pg 17
ummmmm .....who is Benjamin OLVER Sambell? ?
will look further
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hi
Thomas Pearn Sambell's parents ....?
IGI extracted
Benjamin SAMBELL
Clarissa Mary PEARN
31 Dec 1814
Stoke Damerel
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